Last one, another weirdish one
 

I think PF is wrong. I noticed the blinds were tight but forgot about the two loosies behind me. They're the same ones from the QJs river bluff hand. Both were still uber loose over a few more hands, upper 60s VP$IPs. Unfortunately I haven't been observant enough to get a handle on their postflop tendencies.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: (3.66 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (5.66 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.66 BB

Re: Last one, another weirdish one
 

It seems all right to me.

Re: Last one, another weirdish one
 

I suppose if he's going to bet again on the river after you check, he doesn't have something like T9, but has a Q, K or A in his hand (or a flush), and it's safe to fold.

Also, these loosies seem pretty passive, which makes the fold pretty easy.

But yeah, best not to raise this UTG. Is this a call UTG in a loose game?

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i raise this utg a fair amount 5 handed but probably not with people that caliber of loose behind me.

i would fold the turn, your outs could be very tainted because very possible holdings for a loose passive would be QJ KJ KQ. the pot is small and even if your straight outs are clean i don't see it being worth the bb.

not to mention hearts possibly suck for you now.

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i would fold the turn, your outs could be very tainted because very possible holdings for a loose passive would be QJ KJ KQ. the pot is small and even if your straight outs are clean i don't see it being worth the bb.

not to mention hearts possibly suck for you now.

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For some reason I didn't notice a king would put 4 to a straight on board and I'd split with a jack, also probably didn't think enough about ROI when he occasionally hits, or already has a boat when I hit. I agree the turn looks like a fold.

Anyone like a limp PF?

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sure, limp looks fine to me. those guys were like 70/0 or something right?

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i would fold the turn, your outs could be very tainted because very possible holdings for a loose passive would be QJ KJ KQ. the pot is small and even if your straight outs are clean i don't see it being worth the bb.

not to mention hearts possibly suck for you now.

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For some reason I didn't notice a king would put 4 to a straight on board and I'd split with a jack, also probably didn't think enough about ROI when he occasionally hits, or already has a boat when I hit. I agree the turn looks like a fold.

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I thought of that, but it kind of looks like trips, doesn't it? Why does this guy have to have a gutshot to go with that? (I suppose it could be an strangely flop-checked ace or a slowplay instead.)

That said, I don't mind a turn fold. You have implied odds and RIO working against each other (in what proportions, I don't know), and the decision seems close to me.

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Anyone like a limp PF?

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Against this group, I don't mind it.

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I thought of that, but it kind of looks like trips, doesn't it? Why does this guy have to have a gutshot to go with that? (I suppose it could be an strangely flop-checked ace or a slowplay instead.)

That said, I don't mind a turn fold. You have implied odds and RIO working against each other (in what proportions, I don't know), and the decision seems close to me.

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he doesn't have to have a gutshot, but the fact is that these are very possible holdings. the fold doesn't seem close at all to me, you're getting less than stellar odds even if all your outs were clean.

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I thought of that, but it kind of looks like trips, doesn't it? Why does this guy have to have a gutshot to go with that? (I suppose it could be an strangely flop-checked ace or a slowplay instead.)

That said, I don't mind a turn fold. You have implied odds and RIO working against each other (in what proportions, I don't know), and the decision seems close to me.

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he doesn't have to have a gutshot, but the fact is that these are very possible holdings. the fold doesn't seem close at all to me, you're getting less than stellar odds even if all your outs were clean.

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If your outs are clean, you have the immediate odds to call. Well, barely, and I guess maybe not once we take rake into account, but it is close. And it's not like Villain is going to fold trips or whatever else he has on the river, so if our outs are clean, we have some implied odds too.

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I assume he would bet any ace on the flop so his range is pretty much the queens a slowplayed KJ and some random tens.

You have the odds to call the turn still so nice hand.

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I fold the turn, and I don't think it's even close. I like a limp preflop, although I've been known to raise it up as well.

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Yeah, I'm thinking fold, too...you don't think there's enough money in the pot to chase the OESD on the turn since the board is so nasty? There has to be some value, tho. It might be tough to raise a heart river completing your straight, I suppose.

Since Button folded, he's not going to pad the somewhat discounted draw for you now.