Pokertracker and pokerace
 

Pretty much essential to 8-10 tabling?

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Pretty much essential to 8-10 tabling?

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I 9-table and I've never used any tools. I'm sure they would help, but I just haven't invested yet. So from my experience, not "essential".

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wow 9 table? are you a robot!? i havent tried anything beyond 4. is it not crazy when your down to heads-up in one game?

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I find PA to be useless, distracting, and borderline cheating. You definately don't need it to play the $11's or $22's.

Pokertracker is slow and clumsy, but at least it imports sngs now.

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Borderline cheating? It's using data on your own harddrive? It's not a shared data base at all. I don't understand. Could you extrapolate?

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Borderline cheating? It's using data on your own harddrive? It's not a shared data base at all. I don't understand. Could you extrapolate?

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Dont listen to him...its not cheating AT ALL. If that;s cheating then so is this board, etc, etc...

I love both of them.

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i think they are essential for playing well playing 8 table. Nobody else agrees. Either I make better use of it, or I am delusional. you pick

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Hey Steve, your mailbox is full.

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i hate that

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fixed

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I use PokerTracker + PokerAce and when it sometimes doesnt work for some reason, I feel naked. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Do these programs work on the beta software? Is it even readable when the tables are that small?

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I find PA to be useless, distracting, and borderline cheating. You definately don't need it to play the $11's or $22's.

Pokertracker is slow and clumsy, but at least it imports sngs now.

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You dont think it helps when deciding push fold situations for calling ranges?

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I use PA Hud, but i dont think it has helped me all that much. The stats are great and all, but when you throw out your own reads and base desicions solely on stats something is lost...

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I don't even know what pokerace is. If it's what I think it is, to me that's cheating.

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It's the program that overlays stats like V$PIP, PFR, etc onto the poker table. It just reads the stats from your PT database. I personally don't use it.

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I find PA to be useless, distracting, and borderline cheating.

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How can it be both useless and cheating?

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I can see using it at the $55's +, but I don't play the same people often enough at lower limits. I guess it helps to know when you're playing against another heavy multi-tabler.

As for the "borderline cheating". It does SQL queries on your database and calculates (adds, tabulates) for you in real time. This would not be allowed in any casino. Would it be cheating if PA showed you ICM calculations? I think so. Why is that such a strech from "flop's seen" percentages?

Party doesn't think it's cheating yet, so that's what matters. But many people have had to ask the forum if it is cheating, because it is on the borderline.

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I find PA to be useless, distracting, and borderline cheating. You definately don't need it to play the $11's or $22's.

Pokertracker is slow and clumsy, but at least it imports sngs now.

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You dont think it helps when deciding push fold situations for calling ranges?

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donno, got 3 dells and old eyes, havent tried the bata software

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i think they are essential for playing well playing 8 table. Nobody else agrees. Either I make better use of it, or I am delusional. you pick

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nah, pokeroffice is essential to my 8 tabling success (there i said it usher.)

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Does pokerace split up stats between blind levels?

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No, but you can make it do ranges for certain nr of people left. Personally I don't care to much, as I lose all the stats on people I've not seen before otherwise, due to the crazy way it operates.

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ive never played a single sng using any tool of the sort whatsoever. figured id throw that out there. i DO however use ace//tracker when i play cash games. very essential there when blinds stay the same. holla

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glad to see someone else knows what the hell they are talking about. and your a buckeye. bucks roll nd in tempe

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I'm one of those guys that used to check the HH every time someone muched on the end, and I am sure that I was slowing down play on my tables because of it. If nothing else, PA has allowed me to get the mucked hands without slowing down the game for everyone else.

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I'm one of those guys that used to check the HH every time someone muched on the end, and I am sure that I was slowing down play on my tables because of it. If nothing else, PA has allowed me to get the mucked hands without slowing down the game for everyone else.

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yeah, IMO, if it's used for this feature only, its still well worth the 25 bucks.

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i think they are essential for playing well playing 8 table. Nobody else agrees. Either I make better use of it, or I am delusional. you pick

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What stats do you use in Pokerace during a SnG? and how are they helpful?

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Just a couple of examples I can think of from recently:

A guy has a VPIP of 55%, he limps 150 in MP...I am much more likely to pop him.

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CO raises PF at L2 and I am in SB with Aqo, his PFR is 20%...I will call here. (yes, I sometimes fold AQ in SB to a PFR)

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It's the program that overlays stats like V$PIP, PFR, etc onto the poker table. It just reads the stats from your PT database. I personally don't use it.

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thx for the explanation.
yeah i dunno that does feel a bit like cheating to me.

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Just a couple of examples I can think of from recently:

A guy has a VPIP of 55%, he limps 150 in MP...I am much more likely to pop him.

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CO raises PF at L2 and I am in SB with Aqo, his PFR is 20%...I will call here. (yes, I sometimes fold AQ in SB to a PFR)

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but if pokerace doesnt split vpip/pfr by level, how do you know that stat is reliable at your current level?

ie: i play tight at the low levels, but will never limp at the higher blinds. i always raise or fold at that point.

btw- does pokerace have recommended stats to display for SnGs players?

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i use them both and feel wierd not using them.

i dont know how to 4+table and make decent "reads" (ie, be able to successfully put people on calling/pushing ranges) without them.

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Sorry to bring this topic back up, but I just recently decided to start using PT+Pahud because I see many of the same people throughout my sessions. I use # of hands + net $ won. I am still unsure of what other stats I should use. VPIP doesnt seem like it would be all that helpful. I was thinking of adding some stats regarding steals. Not sure how accurate these stats would be. I really just want to know who the winning players are, who the losing players are, and who will give me their blinds without much of a fight. Are there any other specific stats you guys might recommend?

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VPIP is very useful as is PFR. You might want to look at like attempt to steal blinds, folds blind to steal, cont bet, cont bet fold, cont bet turn. Whatever floats yer boat. But VPIP/PFR still tells you who are the fish and who are the LAGs and who are the TAGs. Especially if you filter by # of players.

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As for the "borderline cheating". It does SQL queries on your database and calculates (adds, tabulates) for you in real time. This would not be allowed in any casino. Would it be cheating if PA showed you ICM calculations? I think so. Why is that such a strech from "flop's seen" percentages?

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