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It seems to me that a several regulars on here have a higher raise % than me, yet do not raise certain hands I do UTG. List what hands you raise UTG at an average table at your stakes. Mention if a certain hand varies based on whatever.

For me its something like:

Any suited ace (most of the time), AJo+ KQo, any suited broadway, TT+ always, 88 and 99 I vary between limping and raising a lot, other pocket pairs I limp a lot but will still raise with any of them occasionally, and connectors/gappers REALLY depend on table conditions. I may opt to pitch some of the nonpair hands mentioned from time to time, depending on table conditions as well.

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{fold call raise}

Axs: {.70 .10 .20}
AJo, KQo raise
QJs fold
22+ {0 .50 .50}
SCs {.70 .10 .20}

I'm 22/14 or so. I fold most drawing hands OOP, its too hard to get paid. If I'm in a loose mood, I'll go as far as 25/18, and it's all coming from CO and BTN, my UTG opening range doesn't really change. Maybe I'll raise speculative hands a little more, but I'm still usually folding them.

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Raising any suited ace most of the time UTG sounds really bad to me.

I raise and steal a lot in the late positions, even with hands such as 57o, but in the early positions I'm very cautious about raising.

What I usually raise UTG is AQ+ 99+. If there are loose callers that play bad postflop AND the table is not overly agressive preflop, I will raise with AJ KQ and maybe KJ as well. If the table has a lot of tight or tricky players I mix in occasional raises with suited connectors and low pocket pairs.

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KJo really utg sucks. To me, suited aces are a cash crop [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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What I usually raise UTG is AQ+ 99+.

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Ditto for 400NL

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To me, suited aces are a cash crop

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In LP yes, but not UTG, my PT numbers say not to anyway...

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AJ -

I assume that a lot of the money you make with suited aces comes from playing them v. aggressive when you flop a flush draw?

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AJ -

I assume that a lot of the money you make with suited aces OOP comes from running well?

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{fold call raise}

Axs: {.70 .10 .20}
AJo, KQo raise
QJs fold
22+ {0 .50 .50}
SCs {.70 .10 .20}

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22+ includes premium pairs? Which ones do you limp-reraise?

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I am about 20/12 at 5/10.

AK-AT {0, 0, 1}
A9s-A8s {0, 0, 1}
KQo/KQs {0, 0, 1}
22-55 {.2, 0, .8}
66+ {0, 0, 1}
SCs {.5, 0, .5}
S One Gappers {.5, 0, .5}

I can't remember the last time I limped UTG. Hell, I can't remember the last time I open limped period. Are people really open limping/limping UTG that much? I guess maybe things are different on Party?



Edit: For people who ask why some want to keep their names secret, it's a post like this.

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Party is full of openlimpers

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{0, 0, 1} for everything

22+
A8s+
ATo+
KQo/KQs

add in a few times i randomly raise stuff like T9s, 75s, 85s, etc.

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and thats for 6-handed. 4-handed my range increases a buttload w/stuff like KTo, lots of suited connectors, A5o, etc.

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AJ -

I assume that a lot of the money you make with suited aces comes from playing them v. aggressive when you flop a flush draw?

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Yes I play my draws with suited aces aggressively, especially if I think my ace outs are likely good, but suited aces have much more value than just flush/combo draws. The two pair value is also very high as many people will overplay big aces [and also not reraise them preflop] (on many boards where you hit two pair and they hit top pair its going to be very difficult for them not to think they have the best hand with their AK/AQ) and weaker two pairs (such as if you flop top two/top and bottom and their connector hits bottom two), especially given they aren't suspecting what you have, so when I hit two pair I often find myself getting good action, whether it be from those hands or someone drawing.

They also cannot put you on the low paired rag on the board if you flop trips when you come in raising with this hand UTG, and obviously the tiny chance of flopping a straight, or having some extra straight outs is there with A2-A5. The value of the nut flush draw with various combo possibilities is obvious, as is the value of playing those draws aggressively. I am not looking to play a big pot with one pair with this hand, and I wouldn't be doing the same with most other aces. If you are raising A8s and A9s UTG, why not raise the other ones as well? They may be easier to counterfeit, and will be dominated more often (which is not as bad as some people may think given the value you are playing this hand for), but these hands are really up to par with their clunkier cousins when coming in raising UTG, in my experience.

On the other hand, I throw away ATo pretty much every time, and if I am in a bad mood AJo may hit the muck from time to time as well (default is obv. to raise). Do you people really think ATo is profitable UTG?

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KJo really utg sucks.

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Wow, I type like a moran [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]<font color="white"> Moran misspelling is intentional MORANS </font>

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I used to raise any suited ace UTG at anytime. Now I'm trying to be more aware of my image and occasionally mucking depending on how frequently I have been raising recently. I probably raise/fold about 50/50. I don't mind playing the suited aces out of position because if I flop the nut flush draw, I can lead out and get raised and then just jam all in.

ATo I muck, and KJo is of course a total dog hand.

Suited broadways I will raise UTG probably 90% of the time. I will occasionally limp if I have been raising very frequently.

I also used to raise a hand like 78 suited UTG 100%. Now I'm folding 100%. Building drawing hands out of position is just a big leak.

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On the other hand, I throw away ATo pretty much every time, and if I am in a bad mood AJo may hit the muck from time to time as well (default is obv. to raise). Do you people really think ATo is profitable UTG?

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I think people like to call raises with suited aces and are generally willing to play a small pot with them with just a pair of aces. Sometimes I'll be dominated but I usually can get away from the hand if all I have is a pair of aces. Many more times someone will be in with A2s - A9s and I can win a small pot.

I would say that AJo and ATo are probably about 0EV UTG for me (I'm at work and don't have my PT numbers) but since I feel comfortable playing these hands UTG I'm happy to add in a few 0EV hands just to increase my range of UTG raises.

After reading what you wrote though I'm going to try to start raising suited aces UTG and see how things go.

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I used to raise almost always UTG with:

Any 2 T and above, 22+, Any SC or SC 1 gap.

I have tighten up some lately UTG and UTG+1 which I feel good with.

So my UTG raising standard is nowadays normally:

Any two cards J and above, any two suited cards T and above(QJ, KJ, ,KTs often hitting the muck though if I dont have good read on the table or for some other reason dont want to play it), 88+ (sometimes limp sometimes raise with 77 and 66, mostly limping with 55-). lower SC and SC 1 gaps depending on table conditions.

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I notice that everyone who's mentioning that they open limp certain hands (small PPs, SCs, etc) hasn't mentioned any limp-reraising.

Are you guys really saying that the only time you ever limp UTG is small PPs and SCs? This seems v v bad to me.

I hate limp reraising because it defines my hand too much when I do it with a big PP and I don't want to do it with worse hands. Since I'm always raising my big hands UTG, it makes me physically ill (i'm not exaggerating here, my stomach hurts when I get 44 UTG and consider limping) to limp UTG with a hand like 44.

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what do you guys do with KJo/KJs utg? ive been opening them lately, but im not sure how i feel about that. right now my numbers are 28/14.

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what do you guys do with KJo/KJs utg? ive been opening them lately, but im not sure how i feel about that. right now my numbers are 28/14.

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KJo fold, KJs raise.

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Are you guys really saying that the only time you ever limp UTG is small PPs and SCs? This seems v v bad to me.


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Only vs. opponents that have a clue. This doesn't apply in the games I play.

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Yea, most opponents definitely don't realize my range for limping is so narrow, although I certainly will limp other hands from time to time.

Also, I don't really ever limp-reraise in the games I play.

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Are you guys really saying that the only time you ever limp UTG is small PPs and SCs? This seems v v bad to me.


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Only vs. opponents that have a clue. This doesn't apply in the games I play.

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One of my leaks has always been giving my opponents too much credit.

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Raise PF, Normal Conditions:
AK-AJ
AKs-A7s
22+
KQ
KQs-KJs
Other suted broadways: Some percentage of the time, otherwise folding.
SCs: Some percentage of the time (smaller than it used to be) otherwise folding.

Something like that.

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It depends a ton of table conditions and my image...

In general if I have a TAG image and there are no players looking to make my life difficult just for the hell of it, my range might be something like AJo+, A9s+, KQo, KTs+ (questionable), JTs, 22+. Yes, I prefer JTs to QTs/QJs... straight value trumps high card value imo. if people are reraising me liberally or if I've been too active in recent orbits I will start dumping weaker hands from that range. If I'm picking up pots pretty easily or if I've been on a dry run of starting hands I will be more inclined to raise with suited hands that I have not listed... suited aces, suited broadway, suited connectors. If my opponents are passive and bad then I can consider adding other offsuit hands as well. Against agressive players, even bad ones I may muck AJo, KQo, sometimes even AQo since these hands are very unlikely to get to showdown and thus have little value.

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I may muck AJo, KQo, sometimes even AQo since these hands are very unlikely to get to showdown and thus have little value.

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I probably pitch KQo and AJo UTG more often than most people, to be honest. (Meaning some of the time, default is to raise, but some people NEVER EVER fold these hands UTG.)

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I haven't played in very aggressive games recently. Question said "at an average table at your stakes" so I went with the only recent tables I've played...

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Raise PF, Normal Conditions:
AK-AJ
AKs-A7s
22+
KQ
KQs-KJs
Other suted broadways: Some percentage of the time, otherwise folding.
SCs: Some percentage of the time (smaller than it used to be) otherwise folding.

Something like that.

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I agree with all this, though I open with SC's 100% of the time until I get a feel for the table. If they aren't playing tight enough I start folding them most of the time (probably raise 25% still at a looseish table).

I treat suited broadways like QJs and JTs much like SCs preflop.

Why do you open SCs less these days?

Edit: I play 2/4

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One thing I will likely change when I make 5/10 my normal game is not limping anything UTG. As it is right now at 2/4 I like underrepresenting my hand vs many of these bad overaggressive players that don't bother realizing my range of hands. By underrepresenting I mean they don't instantly put me on a set when I limp/call and put money in post flop, they think that whatever broadway or draw is showing is a likely possibility for me, and they simply don't analyze the situation correctly.

When I do hit a set vs some of these players after I limp/called their raise, they will often try very hard to push me off my hand, and I will gladly let them try. Some of these players are even labelled "weak-tight" by PT. Even though their aggression factors are ridiculous, they get the hell out of there the second you play back. Raising small pairs UTG leads to profitable situations, albeit by taking a different route, and also letting you win more small pots.

At 5/10 there are still v. many bad players, but there should be more players that are actually paying attention, and by limping I would probably be defining my hand too well considering how slim my range for doing so is.

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Yea, most opponents definitely don't realize my range for limping is so narrow, although I certainly will limp other hands from time to time.

Also, I don't really ever limp-reraise in the games I play.

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AJ -

I just remembered you play at FT so I think our comments should be along the same line here, since FT plays way different from Party. Like I said in my post I never LRR. Do you find you can get away with limping low pockets and scs UTG in the 2/4 games there? When the 5/10 is juicy I feel like I can get away with it but when it's playing medium I would never dream of open limping against those nits. And when it's tough... well... I play in the 2/4 games with you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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SCs are really f-ing tough to play OOP.

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I agree with all this, though I open with SC's 100% of the time until I get a feel for the table.

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I do the opposite. Why would you want to be playing seven high OOP against total unknowns? I play very tight until I have a basic read on everyone. That also gives them time to peg me as a tight player, at which point I can open things up a little.

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I just remembered you play at FT so I think our comments should be along the same line here, since FT plays way different from Party. Like I said in my post I never LRR. Do you find you can get away with limping low pockets and scs UTG in the 2/4 games there? When the 5/10 is juicy I feel like I can get away with it but when it's playing medium I would never dream of open limping against those nits. And when it's tough... well... I play in the 2/4 games with you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Mason,

I don't think you should group SC's and SPP's in the same category, really. SPP's are wayyyyy easier/ more straightforward to play in this situation. I think limping SC's in EP is bad and I generally won't do it, as it becomes difficult to play vs raiser OOP in bloated pot and its much harder to pick up the small pots when you don't have initiative. Pocket pairs on the other hand, very simple. You hit or you don't (of course sometimes you may find it profitable to make a play at a certain flop, or flop something nice like an OESD and figure to have good FE, etc), and when you do, you have several options, especially vs. the common overaggresive players I described in my previous post.

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I agree with all this, though I open with SC's 100% of the time until I get a feel for the table.

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I do the opposite. Why would you want to be playing seven high OOP against total unknowns? I play very tight until I have a basic read on everyone. That also gives them time to peg me as a tight player, at which point I can open things up a little.

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Because I'm a total unknown too, and they will assume my raises have credit until proven otherwise.

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are you guys calling raises with the same hands ? and also what are you reraising ?

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are you guys calling raises with the same hands ? and also what are you reraising ?

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This thread is only about UTG standards. I think most people are generally going to call one raise and fold to a normal sized raise-reraise (not min-min) if they are limping. I don't think MSNL 2+2'ers are limp-reraising hardly ever in these games, either.

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Raise PF, Normal Conditions:
AK-AJ
AKs-A7s
22+
KQ
KQs-KJs
Other suted broadways: Some percentage of the time, otherwise folding.
SCs: Some percentage of the time (smaller than it used to be) otherwise folding.

Something like that.

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This fits me pretty much exactly.

-Mike

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yeah my bad. I'll start separate thread.

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{0, 0, 1} for everything

22+
A8s+
ATo+
KQo/KQs

add in a few times i randomly raise stuff like T9s, 75s, 85s, etc.

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This plus all suited Broadways.

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The only thing I don't understand in most people's raising standards is that everyone seems to raise 22+. I don't really understand the advantage of 22-66 over JTs/QJs. You say it's hard to play OOP, but how would you play 22? A problem I foresee with raising 22 UTG is that most low flops where you're probably good, players would think you have missed, and if they donk or c/r, don't you have to release?