I suppose that FTP is a fraudulent site. [Bumped from 4/2006]
 

I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.

Why?

Because I'm a professional player, and I have made some deposits to this site using ePassporte. I would like to play poker, but Full Tilt Poker closed my account, seized all my money and emailed me that my "...account has been closed due to fraudulent (!!!) activity or a relationship to an account with such."

All my requests were ignored, I asked to phone me or give me the contact information of the security department, but I had not received neither phone call nor email with contact phone.

I'm a “Selected Customer” at ePassporte, and I have special high level limits for my transactions at this site. I'm a VIP customer in some other poker rooms and I have a several years' experience of successful poker play both off-line and on-line.

Full Tilt Poker the first site in my practice where I have encountered extremely unfriendly and cynical attitude of support stuff to their customers.

I would like to advice all the poker players to be careful with this site.

Jegors Cemisovs

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

fraud? in eastern europe? never!

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

somehow I feel something is missing in this story.....

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

I suppose Skaits may be a fraud.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

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somehow I feel something is missing in this story.....

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So, I'm ready to post all my emails and replays from FTP.

I asked local poker players, and some reported that his account also been closed and his money was sized without explanations.

One of most famous Latvian poker player - Juris Osns has a closed account too.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

Latvia got owned.

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Latvia got owned.

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Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

or a relationship to an account with such."

pls explain this part further.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

From: Full Tilt Poker Support <[email protected]> Mailed-By: fulltiltpoker.com

To: Yegor Chemisov <[email protected]>
Date: 03-Mar-2006 11:46
Subject: Re: Account name: skaits (KMM491783I16623L0KM)

Hello,

Your account has been closed due to fraudulent activity or a
relationship to an account with such. Unfortunately, it will not be
reopened at this time.

We do not tolerate fraudulent behavior. Your business is no longer
welcome at Full Tilt Poker.

Regards,

Tania
Team Full Tilt

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Original Message Follows:
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Hello,

My account name is: skaits
I have not played at your site for long time.
Is my account still opened?

Could you please check of status of my account.

Best regards
Jegors

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

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Your account has been closed due to fraudulent activity or a relationship to an account with such. Unfortunately, it will not be reopened at this time.

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Do you share your epassporte account?

Did you use it to fund someone elses account?

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

if you have not played there in a long time, then they seem to have busted someone you were VERY close to. family member? player xfer recipient?

anyone you know that could have had trouble there? anyone from your IP perhaps?

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

Absolutely not!

I have created few gift accounts for my friends - poker players.

Juris Osns used gift account, but he completed verification process from ePassporte.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

I have played from Olympic casino with my notebook when I played off-line tournaments, because Olympic offer free WiFi (wireless) Internet for poker players.

Many from our players also used this offer from Olympic casino and played online games at time of off-line poker tournaments.

I don't know a lot about IP, but may be this is source of our problems?

There is list of local player, who has problems with Full Tilt Poker:

Vladislavs Grebesko
http://www.baltic-poker.com/?id=19&player=637

Juris Osns
http://www.baltic-poker.com/?id=19&player=143

Jegors Cemisovs
http://www.baltic-poker.com/?id=19&player=592

And some other

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

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Absolutely not!

I have created few gift accounts for my friends - poker players.

Juris Osns used gift account, but he completed verification process from ePassporte.

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Hi Skaits,

What do you mean by gift account?

Basically what I am getting at is if you have funded a players account either through a transfer on the site or by using your epassporte account and then that player does something fradulent and has his account shut then you will do too.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

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I have played from Olympic casino with my notebook when I played off-line tournaments, because Olympic offer free WiFi (wireless) Internet for poker players.

Many from our players also used this offer from Olympic casino and played online games at time of off-line poker tournaments.

I don't know a lot about IP, but may be this is source of our problems?

There is list of local player, who has problems with Full Tilt Poker:

Vladislavs Grebesko
http://www.baltic-poker.com/?id=19&player=637

Juris Osns
http://www.baltic-poker.com/?id=19&player=143

Jegors Cemisovs
http://www.baltic-poker.com/?id=19&player=592

And some other

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what kind of problems did these players have?

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

The Gift Account - is special offer from ePassporte
https://www.epassporte.com/holidayoffer/

Because some poker sites don't accept credit cards from Latvia, an ePassporte account is solution to deposits and withdrawals.

For few players I send gift ePassporte account to start playing at poker sites. I have not problems with others poker sites at all.

And I verified my ePassporte account by two credit cards and by special verification process. I'm using ePassporte more than a year.

I think the problem is in same IP by using WiFi at our Olympic Poker Club. But I'm not sure in this, because I have not received any explanation from Full Tilt Poker.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

These players have been banned from Full Tilt Poker.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

I think the problem is in same IP by using WiFi at our Olympic Poker Club.

when looked at independantly this is usually not a problem. however, this PLUS the epassporte connection is an indicator of possible collusion.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

I know nothing about the IP thing or the e-passporte thing.

However, I had one site (not full tilt) that would not let me register an account there because my IP supposedly had several accounts (or attempted accounts or something like that) already.


I had no idea what they were talking about as I had never been to that site before, nor do they have any skins.

So perhaps the IP thing has some merit.

But I suspect there could also be something to this e-passport 'funding friends' thing.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

It may be many suppositions about source of this problem. But no one from my suppositions doesn't help me to open my account and return my money.

Unfortunately Full Tilt Poker doesn't want to contact to his customers...

From: Full Tilt Poker Support <[email protected]> Mailed-By: fulltiltpoker.com
To: Yegor Chemisov <[email protected]>
Date: 18-Mar-2006 16:16
Subject: Re: Account name: skaits (KMM560013I16623L0KM)

Hello Jegors,

Thanks for writing in.

Unfortunately, your account has been confirmed to be involved in fraudulent activity. Your Full Tilt Poker account will remain permanently closed.

Please understand that we may not respond to future emails regarding this issue.

Regards,

Nico
Team Full Tilt

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Please remember that no one will ever ask you for your
password or account information, not even support. Please
use good common sense and keep your password a secret.

Chat with the Pros, Play with the Pros, Learn from the Pros.
100% Initial Deposit Bonus - www.fulltiltpoker.com

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Original Message Follows:
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Dear Sirs/Madams,

I have not yet received your answer for my request of 06.03.2006
concerning closing of my account at your site.

I ask you to provide me with report on the cause of my account closing.

If your company has registered the facts of illegal use of my account,
please immediately contact me via phone +371 9356416, or provide me
with contact information (including phone number) of person(s),
responsible for security, to investigate the possible security issue
with my account.

Sincerely,
Jegors Cemisovs



On 06/03/06, Full Tilt Poker Support <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Jegors,
>
> Thank you for your email.
>
> We apologize in advance for the delay. The appropriate department
will
> research your account as soon as possible and respond to you shortly.
>
> We are currently receiving a large number of email and are responding
to
> them as quickly as possible. Rest assured, we will reply back to your
> e-mail as soon as we can.
>
> Thank you again for your patience and understanding regarding this
> matter.
>
> Regards,
>
> Margaret
> Team Full Tilt
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please remember that no one will ever ask you for your
> password or account information, not even support. Please
> use good common sense and keep your password a secret.
>
> Chat with the Pros, Play with the Pros, Learn from the Pros.
> 100% Initial Deposit Bonus - www.fulltiltpoker.com
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Original Message Follows:
> ------------------------
> Hello, Tania,
>
> Thank you for your answer concerning my account.
> Your information is very interesting for me.
> I have opened account at your site about one year ago (4 Apr. 2005).
> From this time, I have made several successful deposits and
> withdrawals.
>
> I don't play at your site very much and have got only small bonus.
> So, as far as at my last withdrawals I requested all my funds from
> your site, I haven't play after withdrawals for a long time.
>
> This time, after reading your adverticement email, I decided to make
> new try and to make new deposit into your poker room. And have got
> your message.
>
> But, I don't understand what kind of fraudulent activity I have made
> with your site?
> Could you please to explain me, what from my actions was fradulent?
>
> Regards,
> Jegors
>
> On 03/03/06, Full Tilt Poker Support <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Your account has been closed due to fraudulent activity or a
> > relationship to an account with such. Unfortunately, it will not be
> > reopened at this time.
> >
> > We do not tolerate fraudulent behavior. Your business is no longer
> > welcome at Full Tilt Poker.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tania
> > Team Full Tilt
> >
> >
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> > Please remember that no one will ever ask you for your
> > password or account information, not even support. Please
> > use good common sense and keep your password a secret.
> >
> > Chat with the Pros, Play with the Pros, Learn from the Pros.
> > 100% Initial Deposit Bonus - www.fulltiltpoker.com
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > Original Message Follows:
> > ------------------------
> > Hello,
> >
> > My account name is: skaits
> > I have not played at your site for long time.
> > Is my account still opened?
> >
> > Could you please check of status of my account.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jegors

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

haha latvia is BUSTO

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

They could at least give you an explanation of what it was that they detected that they consider fraudulent.

It was probably a combination of the IP thing and funding but it would be nice to actually know.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

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haha latvia is BUSTO

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LOLZ.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

Skaits,
Did they actually seize any money from you, or just close your account? From your email it looks like your account was inactive for a while, so you left money on it? If so how much? If they did not seize any money from you, get over it and play somewhere else. If you are legit, there are plenty of better sites than full tilt anyway, so you shouldn't care.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

ya how much dough did they seize? I don't know if I should care or not?

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

Did you try posting on the Full Tit Forum? This kind of crap always scares me.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

I have left about ten dollars at this site.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

They seize about 10 dollars. Not so much, of course.
But some of Latvian players lost about 1k dollars.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

LOL.

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Yes. $10 is not a big money. But I posted this message because a horrible support of Full Tilt Poker and his inexplicable actions.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

Well ten bucks certainly isn't significant, and I have no idea if the OP is or is not involved in something fishy. At least it doesn't seem likely that this is one of those, create an uproar and maybe put pressure on the site to refund my seized chip dumping money posts.

However this, we won't tell you what you did wrong and furhther more we don't intend to ever respond to you again line is not something that engenders much confidence in a site.

My poker league recently started running weekly private tourney's on Full Tilt to get the prize pool up for our season ender freeroll and to give the folks low in the points standings more chances to luckbox their up the standings.

I had been planning on joining FT to play in the tourneys. I don't think I want to join a site with that kind of sketchy behavior.

--Zetack

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

either 1 of 2 things is possible here:

1) Skaits is a cheater. Even so, FullTilt still sucks anyway.

2) Skaits is legit and FullTilt sucks yet again.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

Well if you have a serious issue you could take it to the KGC. But if you really were involved in fraud they are not going to think highly of your case.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

Thanks for posting this. I will never EVER play at full tilt again, and I will try to convince my friends not to play there either. Wow. FullTilt sucks.

Re: I suppose that Full Tilt Poker is a fraudulent site.
 

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Thanks for posting this. I will never EVER play at full tilt again, and I will try to convince my friends not to play there either. Wow. FullTilt sucks.

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I won't play at Full Tilt again... but not because they took money from a bunch of Latvian colluders.

Just received email that my account reopened. No excuse from FTP
 

Today I received email from FTP stuff.
No excuse, No explanations. Just reopened my account and wishing to me good luck at their tables.

From: Full Tilt Poker Support <[email protected]> To: Yegor Chemisov <[email protected]>
Date: 04-Apr-2006 17:36
Subject: Account Reopened (KMM640503I16623L0KM)

Hello Jegors,

Thank you for your email.

This is to confirm that your account has been reopened at this time; you
will now be able to login and play as usual. Furthermore, when you
login, you will see that all your account information and balances have
remained intact.

Thank you for your cooperation in clearing up this situation; should you require assistance or have questions in the future, please don't hesitate to ask us.

We thank you for your patience and your patronage, and wish you best of luck at the tables.


Regards,

Kenji
Team Full Tilt

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Please remember that no one will ever ask you for your
password or account information, not even support. Please
use good common sense and keep your password a secret.

Chat with the Pros, Play with the Pros, Learn from the Pros.
100% Initial Deposit Bonus - www.fulltiltpoker.com

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Re: Just received email that my account reopened. No excuse from FTP
 

This thread is bizarre. I like Full Tilt...

Re: Just received email that my account reopened. No excuse from FTP
 

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Unfortunately, your account has been confirmed to be involved in fraudulent activity. Your Full Tilt Poker account will remain permanently closed.


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First Prima; now FTP. It's quite concerning that the only way that players seem to be able to get the attention of the "higher ups" in these sites is by making a fuss on poker forums.

I'd like to understand (before considering playing on FTP again) how such a gross error could be made by their staff. Clearly their procedures leave a lot to be desired -- you never get this crap from Stars, or at least if you do then they clearly state their reasons.

John

Re: Just received email that my account reopened. No excuse from FTP
 

I have supposition that it happened because I played poker in Olympic casino using public Wi-Fi service. So, may be I have got same IP address that another player on previous days.

But I'm sure this is not FRAUDULENT activity, of course.

For example, let's suppouse that you travel in another country or city. You would like to play poker at your Hotel or Airport using Wi-Fi point. In this case you may get same IP addres that another one on privious days.

Is it fraud?

Re: Just received email that my account reopened. No excuse from FTP
 

Personally, IMO, regardless of "original cause", a CS representative at any poker site can't just reply to a client's email with comments such as:

(caps added for emphasis)

"....We do not tolerate fraudulent behavior. Your business is NO LONGER WELCOME at Full Tilt Poker."

"...your account has been CONFIRMED to be involved in FRAUDULENT activity. Your Full Tilt Poker account will remain PERMANTENTLY CLOSED. Please understand that we may NOT RESPOND to future emails regarding this issue."

Then, to top it off, without any apparent explanation by Full Tilt on *WHY* this particular client's account was initially closed, nor *WHY* they chose to re-open the account, they just informed that the account is active again as if nothing happened. Amazing.

"...to confirm that your account has been REOPENED at this time.....Thank you for your COOPERATION in CLEARING up this situation...."

Either a CS representative at Full Tilt saw this forum or was pointed to this forum... in either case, if Full Tilt want to keep business, they have to explain this horrible communication on their part... or we here at 2p2 can "assume it could happen to any of us at any time" which they wouldn't want us to think that way....

* CalvinTy