Heads Up Proposition
 

I recently began a study of heads up poker, although I'm focusing primarily on limit. I'm a mathematician and have been examining the game from a theoretical standpoint. Initially I assumed poker hand rankings were transitive, but it always fun to investigate.

So I'd like to offer the following heads up proposition to anyone willing to accept it:

1. Choose from the following three poker hands: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

2. Based on the hand you chose, I will choose one of the remaining two hands to play against you. The third hand (which neither of us wanted) will be shuffled back into the deck.

3. We both go all-in pre-flop, for say $1000.

Anyone up for it?

Re: Heads Up Proposition
 

Technically its a suckers bet, although the ev you gain from making the last decision is very small.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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How about you choose first and we do it a 1000 times for 1 dollar? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I'm not even going to pokerstove it and guess that

A3 > QJ > 22 > A3

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I'm not even going to pokerstove it and guess that

A3 > QJ > 22 > A3

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something like that.

Re: Heads Up Proposition
 

how would u deal it out? would the person willing to do it have to meet up?

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I saw the original post in MHHUSH. Seriously though......

Did you really just post a thread in the forum with the best poker players on the internet looking for a sucker to take you up on a prop bet??

Oh man, I'm in stitches. And I love that little story you came up with too. "I recently began a study of heads up poker, although I'm focusing primarily on limit. I'm a mathematician and have been examining the game from a theoretical standpoint. Initially I assumed poker hand rankings were transitive, but it always fun to investigate."

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA. You are beautiful.

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LETS PLAY ROCK PAPER SCISSORS... you pick first, goot?

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I remember waffle asking me this question or which hand had the highest EV or whatever like months ago, and I picked QJs. Makes sense if you think about it.

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this is the stupidest post in the [censored] world. please lock it.

btw you should credit caro when you steal content from him.

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Think what you like, but no, I didn't expect anyone to take me up on it, nor am I interested in playing. What interests me is the intransitive nature of poker and I was hoping someone might be able to provide more insights as to why. Yes, I did discover this when trying to rank the hand 2-2. It's not hard to notice that QJs is the strongest unpaired hand against 2-2, yet QJs obviously isn't the strongest unpaired hand.

Drop the arrogance and don't post if you're not willing to provide any insights.

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I didn't steal anything from anybody. In fact, about as much Caro as I've ever read is browing through his tells book in the bookstore. God forbid someone besides a published poker author try to investigate hands.

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Think what you like, but no, I didn't expect anyone to take me up on it, nor am I interested in playing. What interests me is the intransitive nature of poker and I was hoping someone might be able to provide more insights as to why. Yes, I did discover this when trying to rank the hand 2-2. It's not hard to notice that QJs is the strongest unpaired hand against 2-2, yet QJs obviously isn't the strongest unpaired hand.

Drop the arrogance and don't post if you're not willing to provide any insights.

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What insights are you looking for? It seems like a pointless problem unless you're a complete noob.

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Think what you like, but no, I didn't expect anyone to take me up on it, nor am I interested in playing. What interests me is the intransitive nature of poker and I was hoping someone might be able to provide more insights as to why. Yes, I did discover this when trying to rank the hand 2-2. It's not hard to notice that QJs is the strongest unpaired hand against 2-2, yet QJs obviously isn't the strongest unpaired hand.

Drop the arrogance and don't post if you're not willing to provide any insights.

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Pokergrader already provided insights. I'll repeat them if you'd like: QJd > 22 > A3o > QJd.

As far as your prop/my arrogance goes.....

You're a pretty bad double-talker.

You saying this:
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3. We both go all-in pre-flop, for say $1000.

Anyone up for it?

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Then saying this:
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I didn't expect anyone to take me up on it, nor am I interested in playing.

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Is a blatant insult to the intelligence on this forum. Nice try though. Find another group of 'suckers'.

Re: Heads Up Proposition
 

Spy,

this isn't going anywhere, and your $1000 coinflip offer is a sucker's bet, as was pointed out. Please feel free to start another thread discussing hand playability vs hot-cold equity, hopefully without propositioning the forum to take a -EV bet for $1000. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Surf