river c/r
 

Im dealt KK in the BB. Button (35/22/2.5) raises, sb folds, I 3 bet, he calls

flop comes AJ6r

I bet, he raises, I call

Turn is a 5

check, check

River is a 3

I check, he bets, I raise

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why?

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when he checked the turn I figured he didnt have an Ace and likely had a J or some QTish type hand he decided to try and pop me with on the flop, thought I could maybe get a bluff out of the latter, and a value bet out of the former when I checked the river.

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do you think he calls your check/raise with a hand you beat?

True

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interesting hand

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looks hot to me.

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villains plan was to possibly raise hero off the best hand on the flop and ensure that he himself sees showdown cheaply.

However when villain sees that hero checked the river to him instead of the more-than-common kneejerk river oop river bet, villain is like "geez I guees my pair of jacks/dueces is the best hand !". So then the villain gets greedy and bet. After that hero c/r's to let villain know that that [censored] does not fly and 1 bet is still effectively going in per street.

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I like the line if the villain would never play an A this way. I think this play confuses the opponent enough to call your river raise with a worse hand, just because he's so confused about the action. There are also almost no hands that you are getting 3 bet with here except monsters, and then it will be an easy fold. Often the villain has rags and thinks he might be able to pick up the pot on the river if you have something like KQ or KT and might fold. Or the villian is making a thin value bet.

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expert

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I see you like the move I taught you. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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when he checked the turn I figured he didnt have an Ace and likely had a J or some QTish type hand he decided to try and pop me with on the flop, thought I could maybe get a bluff out of the latter, and a value bet out of the former when I checked the river.

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i don't know why but i thought he bet the turn. i still slightly favor a bet because he often has a flopped middle or bottom pair and will usually check that down. if you had say QQ on a K high board i would like it, since people will make thinner value bets knowing A high calls a lot

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I understand the idea of checking to induce a worse hand to bet. But it still seems unlikely that a worse hand is going to call the c/r.

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I think Bet>C/R because you can't rule out Ace-little.

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I understand the idea of checking to induce a worse hand to bet. But it still seems unlikely that a worse hand is going to call the c/r.

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nah people always pay off the cr

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yes everybody pays this off, including me.

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Ok here's a spot that a guy I know says he does a 3 bet on the flop here. The checks the turn and folds to a bet.

Discuss if this move is good/bad and why?

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I would bet because I do not have enough faith that this guy value bets Jx or a mid pocket pair here. A lot of guys will check it.

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I can't bring myself to like this play.

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Love it.

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wow

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Do you call a 3 bet?

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i let betting out here, clarkmeister style. ive cn lots of calls here from 77-TT, but never a value bet from those hands as ure opponent has shown weakness with the turn check. i bet this out and prb fold to a raise depending on player, but most of the time i bf this river. it looks like he wanted the free card, and unless he has A4 ish and owns you, i would highly recommend betting river because ure going to get calld by a lot more hands than those that bet out - as for the cr, the formula (2*(chance he bets into you + calls your raise)) doesnt seem to apply (eg more profitable to bet out). anyone think im wrong in my assessment?

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i like betting out here, clarkmeister style. ive cn lots of calls here from 77-TT, but never a value bet from those hands as ure opponent has shown weakness with the turn check. i bet this out and prb fold to a raise depending on player, but most of the time i bf this river. it looks like he wanted the free card, and unless he has A4 ish and owns you, i would highly recommend betting river because ure going to get calld by a lot more hands than those that bet out - as for the cr, the formula (2*(chance he bets into you + calls your raise)) doesnt seem to apply (eg more profitable to bet out). anyone think im wrong in my assessment?

(apologies to ne1 who read this post 2x, acc posted it up top b4)

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i like betting out here, clarkmeister style.

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Good to see you've got a solid grasp of the forum lingo, welcome aboard!

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rofl... rofl

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Aparantly you are the one who is confused, as clarkmesiter betting means to push the bet button before the river card is even displayed, thus showing your opponent how extremely confident you are that your value bet will be called.