I can never fold TP
 

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, MP folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Only 18 hands on villain, 33/17/4

Re: I can never fold TP
 

raise preflop. the rest is fine

Re: I can never fold TP
 

Apart from PF this is completely standard.

Re: I can never fold TP
 

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raise preflop. the rest is fine

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Re: I can never fold TP
 

You're rarely good on the river here, but I pay off. With a better read of villain being passive, I think you can fold the river.

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raise preflop. the rest is fine

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Re: I can never fold TP
 

I raise pf as well. I think the river is very close.

Re: I can never fold TP
 

Do you still call the turn without the open ender?

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Do you still call the turn without the open ender?

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No but I'd call a 7 as well as a 9/Q. I'm not sure about an A. I think that compromises your J out almost completely.

Re: I can never fold TP
 

Checkraising a straight and flush coordinated flop is not a good idea, IMO. Bet out.

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I raise pf as well. I think the river is very close.

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I agree about the river. There isn't a K that villain could reasonably have that hero beats. I'm a little surprised everyone thinks the river call is so automatic. If the pot were a little bigger, I like a call. As it stands, I think it's at least borderline.

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raise preflop. the rest is fine

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I raise pf as well. I think the river is very close.

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I agree about the river. There isn't a K that villain could reasonably have that hero beats. I'm a little surprised everyone thinks the river call is so automatic. If the pot were a little bigger, I like a call. As it stands, I think it's at least borderline.

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We're getting 9.5 to 1 against an unknown, and the flop had 2 broadway cards so he could've been going to town with something like AQ/AJ, maybe a mid pocket pair.

Also the river brought 4 to a straight, although we should never put villain on a 7, and villain should know this, some donkeys could bet hands they would've checked behind trying to rep the straight.

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I raise pf as well. I think the river is very close.

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I agree about the river. There isn't a K that villain could reasonably have that hero beats. I'm a little surprised everyone thinks the river call is so automatic. If the pot were a little bigger, I like a call. As it stands, I think it's at least borderline.

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We're getting 9.5 to 1 against an unknown, and the flop had 2 broadway cards so he could've been going to town with something like AQ/AJ, maybe a mid pocket pair.

Also the river brought 4 to a straight, although we should never put villain on a 7, and villain should know this, some donkeys could bet hands they would've checked behind trying to rep the straight.

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Seems like a pretty big stretch to me. There are a crap load hands that he would reasonably play this way that beat us. And a few hands that he would rarely play like this that we do beat.

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You're a great poster and I'll defer to your experience (and I probably call this, too, in the heat of battle). But in defense of a river call not quite being standard:

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he could've been going to town with something like AQ/AJ, maybe a mid pocket pair.

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I guess so. But the only midpocket pair that doesn't beat us by the river is 55. If he 3-bets us on the flop with that, god bless him.

And though it's only 18 hands, villain has folded a lot more hands than he's played. A maniac usually can't stand to play less than 1/2 his hands over any length of time.

edit: removed erroneous preflop analysis