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So I have finally decided to get BA after a few years of contemplating it. I am 19 years old, but I am not going to get any bigger. I am EXTREMELY flat chested and have always been even after gaining weight. It's something I am constantly self conscious about and I finally decided to take action and I am very happy and excited about my decision.

My question though is this: Why is there so much emphasis on boobs in our society? Why are guys so infatuated and obsessed with them? Why do girls feel inadequate if they don't have any? I believe that is why BA exists in the first place.

I have never been able to get close to a boy and that is largely because of my lack of breasts. I know getting BA will not cure all of my self esteem issues, but I believe it will make me more comfortable in my own skin and that is why I am doing it. I don't think BA is for everyone, however. When I first went to see my plastic surgeon, there was a girl in there for a BA consultation also and she was easily a C-cup and wanted breast implants among other procedures to her face. To me, she looked beautiful the way she was. But in my case, it's different. I really NEED BA because I look more like a boy than a girl and it greatly effects the way I see myself as a female.

In some ways I wish boobs didn't mean anything in our society. Maybe then I wouldn't be going through with this surgery. But I am because I don't feel "feminine."

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I love boobs.

One of the main reasons I like my girlfriend's looks is that she's so disproportionate.

She's like 5'5", weighs 110 and has very solid D's.

Big boobs make outfits look great, exude sexiness, and are really fun to play with and suckle.

In short, they are the best thing EVAHHH.

I think you made a good decision and I think it will attract more attention for you.

Plus, they're all "real" on the outside... right!

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if you want the scientific defination....

scientists believe that breast/hip/waist proportion is more asthetically pleasing to men because (and I can't remember the exact proportions - I think something like 3/2/3) it suggests to them an ideal candidate for breeding - from thousands of yrs of breeding, men have felt that the proportional bodyshape implies the healthiest female for bearing kids - and while Miss America's of the last 20 yrs have gotten progressively skinnier, that breast/hip/waist ratio never changed - it's one of those instinctive things in nature - survival of the fittest, etc,

a lot of nature comes down to that... female lions pick their mate based on the health of their mane - the more vibrant and full, the healthier he is, and more likely he's won all his fights - women tend to make the choice on financial considerations, because that implies being supported and a steady stream of food/income, etc coming in.

having said that....I hope you have read up and informed yourself of not only the benefits but risks from those things...

RB

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then you will attract the kind of person wanting you for sex rather than your inward looks. stay natural and you wont regret it unless you want to be what you are not. accept yourself for what you are and you can be happy. the other way you wont.

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Obsession with boobs does not mean obsession with big boobs.


As always mr. zee has great advice.

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Well I might like you for your inner good looks but I might have made the intial effort to talk to you because of your great breasts.

You cant tell how beautifull someone is on the inside from just looking at them.

I am fantasticaly hansome and have a brilliant mind and a charming and sympathetic nature. I consider my looks to be the worm on the hook of my fantastic personality. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Seriously, if you improve your looks this will increase the probability of positive interaction with males of all types, all men must make judgements intialy based on appeareance as this is the only information available.

After this it is upto you to process the increased level of interaction you recieve so that you end up with someone whos appreciation of you will deepen as he gaines information about your inner good looks.

Cheers

Kernow.

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Once again you've nailed it Mr Zee.

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FC,
The reason that men "love big boobs" is not all of this breeding nonsense. It is the "otherness" of them.

Heterosexuals want what is different from their own gender. The thought of homosexuality is so ineffably repulsive to the heterosexual that, well, it's ineffable, as I said.

Breasts are so absolutely, fantastically different to anything we possess, that they become a sort of a moronic fascination.

That said, it is a disgusting culture that encourages its women to disfigure themselves to attain some imbecilic aesthetic that has absolutely no other value.

I would never date a woman with breast implants. To me, it says too much about the woman's self esteem. The idea of placing saline sacks into one's chest for the purpose of attracting the sort of person who would find that attractive just seems abject to me, and certainly belies a less than interesting perspective on the world.

But that's just me.

If your point is that you are a good and worthwhile person, and just need to get your foot in the door with guys so that they like you for who you really are, then maybe a padded bra isn't the worst idea in the world.

Granted, it still carries some of the same problems, but I wouldn't call it an egregious infraction, like MAJOR SURGERY.

But again, that's just me.

In our moronic culture of Brad and Jen, Madonna, and Demi Moore, who can be surprised?

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First of all this is a really bad reason to get surgery.

Second, the thing girls don't understand is that guys just like boobs...little, big, round, small, huge...whatever we just like boobs so BA isn't necessary at all.

Third, EVERY guy likes nice natural breasts big or small but there is a large population of men that don't like fake ones at ALL. So if it's your intention to attract men this probably isn't the best way to go about it.

Just think it over...also unless you're super rich 5k is a nice chunk of change.

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"Plus, they're all "real" on the outside... right! "

This is so incorrect. Fake is fake, real is real.

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does it still cost 5k? I thought they were arround 2k now.

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I'm agreeing with Zee here. No matter what you look like on the outside, if you can't accept yourself and be yourself, nothing good can come of surgery.

I also agree with Rushmore here. I wouldnt' be attracted to a girl who placed such high priority on aesthetics... I mean, I don't have the greatest self image, but I get over it and don't let it get in the way of being who I am. I know there is tremendous pressure to conform to unwritten standards of aesthetic beauty, but any girl who couldnt' get beyond that I couldn't find myself attracted to...

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Wait til you're 23 or so, and see if you still want them. You probably won't.

Ray is absolutely correct, fakes boobs attract the wrong kind of people looking for the wrong reasons. Any self esteem you may gain will be very superficial.

Besides, you should spend the 5k playing poker.

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i can't believe there's all these serious replies for someone's first post that came to a poker message board for breast advice.....

You guys are all lame.

com'on flat chest - pump up those breasts - go over the top with some Double D's or something.

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She says "I really NEED BA because I look more like a boy than a girl". Couldn't this be almost considered akin to reconstructive surgery?

I doubt she is talking about creating anything larger than "average size" breasts, probably below average.

Does this make any difference to any of you nay sayers?

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The thing is you dont know there fake untill you touch them.

If at that point you are goiing to recoil in disgust you nead to get more lead in your diet.

Try spinach.

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Some guys like smaller breasts, including me. Yours are probably fine and you have no reason to feel inadequate. You should post a picture so we can all decide. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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i can't believe there's all these serious replies for someone's first post that came to a poker message board for breast advice.....


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As you may have guessed, I am a regular poster here. I did not want my poster ID to become associated with this issue.

I am reading your replies, and considering both what is being said, and who is saying it.

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I just want to say I am all for you getting breast implants. Ya know what's wrong with fake breasts??? Absolutely nothing. They look nice, your clothes will fit better, and a vast majority of the men you meet will want to fondle them. It's your job to weed through the guys that want to fondle them and find a guy that you actually have something in common with. Sure a lot of those guys will just want to hook up with you to play with them......Soooooooooooooo.......... enjoy it....

We like boobs because they are there...it really is as simple as that....

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I think what is scaring men off is your intelligence. Most women don't have a degree by the time they're 19.

Stay in the game, you'll find the right man. If you're really desparate, just go to a place where you'll find men you're not likely to see again, walk up to one, and whisper "Wanna f***?" in his ear. You have at least a 50% chance here unless his woman is in tow.

-Michael

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Isn't there still some chance of breast growth at 19 yet? I'd honestly wait a couple of years if you feel that's the course of action.

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oh, well sorry - i thought this whole thread was fishing for responses in a way....

I still say that self-confidence and being happy with yourself are important and if that can be bought, then good for you..

I am in a profession where I do cosmetic procedures for people all the time that are concerned with their looks.

I change the way people look significants and how they view themselves.
It is very exciting when someone tells me: "I feel like I can smile again now for the first time in years"

I have the incredible power to give people self-confidence and I know how important that is.

If you really want this, I say do it.

And, I was serious in my original post - I love breasts on a woman and the bigger the better. Disproportion is really cool.. I'm completely into it.

And my girlfriend's are real, not fake, she is a breast freak of nature... (fyi, she always talks that she will probably need a reduction someday of which I say "absolute NONSENSE!"

Still... a 19 year old female regular poster to a poker message board???? I'm still a little skeptical.

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I agree with Ray Zee, getting breat implants is stupid. If you want to look good all you need to do is be healthy, eat right, excercise, good clothes and have a good personality.

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Men love boobs because we don't have them.

Just make sure that you get them IN PROPORTION to your body. I think that when you get them insanely out of proportion, that is when you get the reaction that Mr. Zee spoke of.

If you have a nice set of proportionate boobs I think you will get more the response you are looking for (a little more attention and confidence), rather than every dog in the world trying to hump your leg! [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Also, please try to look into the future. I know a TON of girls with boob jobs and 2 things that I think you have to consider.

1. Many girls who get boobs to gain confidence get what I call "silicone on the brain". They get a new set and a year later...they want another new set. Then another, and then another. It truly does become an obsession. Sometimes its just them, and sometimes its a competition thing. "Did you see Suzy's new boobs? Her's are bigger than mine! I'm going to have to get mine done again!"

I'm not joking...I've seen it numerous times.

2. Over time those girls are going to sag. Gravity is your worst enemy. The only way I know to get them "lifted" is more surgery. I think only 1 girl in the many, many, many girls that I have known has had the minor "lifting" surgery and she wasn't really happy with it. The rest all "traded up" and got them bigger. They felt it was the only way to get that "right off the showroom" look that they enjoyed initially. Once again, it's a vicious circle.

It's alot to consider...more than most would think. Good luck with your decision.

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Take this with a grain of salt. I dont know you, and have never seen you. So it may apply, it may not. Hopefully it will give you some ideas.

If you're getting them for yourself, to make you feel more complete as a 'woman'. Ok, i can buy in. If you're getting them for how others perceive you like a band-aid cure for your self esteem, save the money from the surgery and spend it on a shrink.

There are plenty of happy women out there with small cans. Longterm, personality is what your mate gets to wake up to in the morning.

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I have never been able to get close to a boy and that is largely because of my lack of breasts.

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This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the boy, but with yourself. It has nothing to do with your breasts, btw.

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I know getting BA will not cure all of my self esteem issues, but I believe it will make me more comfortable in my own skin and that is why I am doing it.

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Until something else comes up that you may see as a 'block' for you as far as attracting men.

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I really NEED BA because I look more like a boy than a girl and it greatly effects the way I see myself as a female.


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So if a guy saw you from behind, or the neck up, you look like a boy? If that's the case, you are a prime candidate for further surgery once the initial euphoria of you BA wears off and you find something else that may be a reason you can't get close or attract a guy.

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To me, she looked beautiful the way she was. But in my case, it's different.

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This may be her exact way of thinking also. Ever consider that? Wouldn't it be funny if you both thought this same thing when you saw each other?

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In some ways I wish boobs didn't mean anything in our society. Maybe then I wouldn't be going through with this surgery. But I am because I don't feel "feminine."

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Seems like your getting them for 'society' more than for yourself.

Based on your post, and much of the underlying tone contained within, i would suggest going to see someone to see the 'real' reason your not happy with yourself. Take him a copy of your initial post. That should give them a good starting point.

That is, if you're not 'scared' of the real reason and just want the band-aid temporary cure.

I also fully agree with Ray's response.

b

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You should post a picture so we can all decide. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Yes, pictures please

Breasts, Beer, Pizza.... thats all I need to be happy [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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it's boobs or butt. the reason is because we can actually see the shape of them, and within reason, guess as to how firm/soft they are.

if your vagina was not covered by clothing, you wouldn't have to get a boob job.

cheers!

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Still... a 19 year old female regular poster to a poker message board???? I'm still a little skeptical.

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Reminds me of the old story:
A couple is sitting in a restaraunt talking after a nice dinner. The girl asks: "what do you look for in a woman?" The guy responds: "I want a woman I can talk to. Someone I can respect as a partner and reveal my inner self to. I am just looking for someone sensitive and wise to share this crazy life with."
The girl asks: "Which quality attracted you to me?"
Guy replies: "your big tits."

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You don't need boobs if you have other skills.

This is one I use with women:

I call it the Ice Cream Cone Lick
This is a cunnilingus skill (oral sex on women), think ice cream cone. No, not how it tastes, but rather how you lick it: the wide flat stroke feels good on a woman's clit.

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I think if you where to speak to a prof. they would persuade you from getting the surgery. Your idea's of what you want and what you need is a little mixed up. The New York post had a great article this week on how many women are getting BA for graduation presents and it is crazy.

My suggestion if poker is your social thing to do is get involved in groups like BARGE and MARGE and find someone who has similar interest as you. This will give you confidence in social skills having things in common like poker.

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ok mr. rogers

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i call bullshit to 90% of the responses in this thread. everyone is lying to you. if you get breast implants your success rate with the opposite sex should increase at least five-fold.

the reasons not to do it are financial and health considerations. obviously you have no moral obligations with it, so listening to someone who does (or claims to) is pretty silly in my opinion.

DON\'T DO IT!
 

Guys like self-confident, positive women who are fun to be around, regardless of size, shape, etc. Flat-chested girls often have beautiful stomachs, hips, butts, & thighs.

There are many men, myself included, who are very attracted to slender women with fit, athletic bodies & elfin features. Women who may be slightly androgynous looking but still very feminine are extremely sexy.

As far as "getting close to a boy", anyone you're going to WANT to get close to will be primarily concerned with your attitude & performance, as well as YOUR pleasure, of course.

Put the money you have budgeted for the BA away, and use it for a big poker vacation in Vegas when you turn 21. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk.

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AJ Go All In, are you serious? It's hard for me to believe that some of the responses in this thread are for real, for example:

"Men love boobs because we don't have them."
"I love breasts on a woman and the bigger the better. Disproportion is really cool.. I'm completely into it. "

FlatChested, don't listen to these people that have a fetish for huge breasts, they're advice is stupid.

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Once again you've nailed it Mr Zee.

I don't think a poker forum is the place to discuss Ray's sexual escapades.

Husker

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i am going to have to question when the last time you and ray were 19 years old...

honestly though, some of the posters here are saying that they couldnt be attracted to a woman who had breast implants- because they assume it points to a serious flaw in their personality. Would you go out with a girl who wears makeup? Conditions her hair? Shaves her legs? All of these are unnecessary and "unnatural", but since they have long be accepted by society, no one thinks much of them now. We only question the age that girls are ready to begin doing this.
I agree that if the poster thinks she is completley worthless then breast implants probably wont help- but in all likelyhood she just feels shy and awkward in a lot of situations, this is one way to get over this problem.

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Heterosexuals want what is different from their own gender. The thought of homosexuality is so ineffably repulsive to the heterosexual that, well, it's ineffable, as I said.

i dont agree with your homosexual comments, many studies seem to imply that most people are not either "hetero" or "homo". It is simply our society that pushes us to one side or the other throughout our lives. I am not trying to say that everyone is somewhat gay, or that everyone who is gay has straight tendancies, but that there is a much larger group in the middle if a persons normal tendancies were more acceptable.

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I'm certainly not gonna tell you not to do it.

I'm sure Joe Tall will do that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

I just wanted to debunk the idea the idea that you should not get them because "you should be happy w/ what God gave you."

I see no difference between getting braces and getting implants on a social level. No one bitches about braces! Does someone born w/out legs have to turn down prosthetics, because God didn't give him legs? I'm sick of hearing that silly argument (but alas, most arguments end up pretty silly, when the word "God" works its way in.)

Obviously, there are greater health risks with implants, but changing your body to make yourself feel better, should not be something looked down upon IMO. Especially when there is nothing you can do manually to change it - much different than Liposuction in this regard.

Personally, I'd recommend you do it.

But Ray is right. Until you find some eternal peace w/ how you look and become happy about it, you will be unhappy for awhile.


19 yr old long time poster?

And I thought ZeeJustin was a guy. Shows what I know.

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Bingo!