66 better than JTs HU?
 

a buddy of mine and i are arguing why 66 is or isnt better than J10 suited heads up... i he says JT suited is better cause of some calculator, i say 66 is better because jT suited is of course on the draw. i say JT NEEDS to hit something in order to win, 66 doesnt.

then he says:
wait its just like
u have bottom pair
and the person has
open ended straight + flush draw + overs
2 overs
whos the fav?


i say but that is maybe post flop, but right now its just JTs, he replies its the best drawiwng hand, it has more of a % to win in the long run...

this sounds absolutly crazy to me, is there a way to explian to him that he is wrong? or God forbid i'm just that bad

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

this is retarded.

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

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this is retarded.

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you could have just not said anything. thats not very nice.

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 52.0631 % 51.75% 00.31% { JTs }
Hand 2: 47.9369 % 47.63% 00.31% { 66 }


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Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 52.0631 % 51.75% 00.31% { JTs }
Hand 2: 47.9369 % 47.63% 00.31% { 66 }


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thx for the reply but doesnt it makes sense what i said about the 66 being an already made hand and JTs being on a draw? i was kinda looking for an explanation =)

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

In a sense you have the best hand at moment, because you have a pair and he has Jack high. However, there are five cards to come, and what counts is who has a better hand at the end. He is more likely to have the best hand than you after all five community cards are dealt.

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

eh... i just have to take u guys word for it. the way i'm seeing it is there are more low cards to come than high cards to help him. which means hes on the draw, but i guess the calculator doesnt lie =/

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

Scare cards, scare cards, scare cards.

I take JTs if $ not in pf

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

cardplayer.com has these odds...go to poker odds and input the cards...66 is a little ahead of 2 over cards slightly.....

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

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cardplayer.com has these odds...go to poker odds and input the cards...66 is a little ahead of 2 over cards slightly.....

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Not if their suited and connected.

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 52.0631 % 51.75% 00.31% { JTs }
Hand 2: 47.9369 % 47.63% 00.31% { 66 }


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thx for the reply but doesnt it makes sense what i said about the 66 being an already made hand and JTs being on a draw? i was kinda looking for an explanation =)

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The reason for it being a slight favorite is that JTs has 2 over cards to 66, it's suited meaning that it can make a flush with 3 of the same suit on the board, and it's connected meaning it can make 4 straights using both cards. It's just the math. I understand what you're thinking, but the combination of all the potential draws makes it a slight favorite. I could go into detail explaining each draw, but it's long and boring math and I really don't want to do it. If you want some basic % of some of the draws, I guess I could put those together.

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

i stand corrected...if your 2 over cards are suited and connected you have a slight advantage

Re: 66 better than JTs HU?
 

The percentages are negligible. 52/48 isn't significant.
On the other hand, 66 has much more showdown value over a variety of boards than JTs. However, on the other side of the spectrum, JTs is much more walkable barring an unfavorable flop.

In HU, I like going to showdown. Checked to me in the BB to 1 limper, I take 66.

Additionally, having JTs still requires you to draw on all non-made hands, this includes 4 flushes and SD's. Given HU, you will likely not being getting correct equity to draw unless you have flopped a combo or multiple draws.
Point: You will not be getting long term equity to call given pot size.

JTs can put you in predicaments you don't like. 66 is fire away and either call down or fold to overs.