Vegas Comp Question
 

Hi all,

I am 2 yr internet player that is planning my first poker trip to Vegas. I would like to know what type of comps I can expect to get from the Casinos. I would be playing 2/4 or 5/10 NL for 10 hours per day and plan to stay for 3 - 4 days. In a perfect world I would expect:

1) A ride to and from the airport
2) A free room
3) 1 or 2 free meals a day (for me and wife)
4) 2 tickets to a show one night

So my questions are as follows:

1) Am I crazy or is this possible? If crazy, what might be expected?
2) Which Casinos would be best to approach?
3) Are there times of the year where they offer more?
4) Can such a deal be worked out ahead of time, with an understanding, that I would have to pay for everything if I did not play the promised hours?

Any other general comments would be appreciated.

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I recommend you adjust your expectations way way down. On all points.

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In a perfect world I would expect:

1) A ride to and from the airport
2) A free room
3) 1 or 2 free meals a day (for me and wife)
4) 2 tickets to a show one night


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No, No, No, and No.

You're confusing poker with black-chip craps and blackjack play. You can get a reduced room rate at many places if you play 4-8 hours per day (depending on the casino), but it will be nothing close to free. You can get $0.75 to $3/hr in comps for playing (again, depending on the casino). You can schoomze and bribe the floor people and maybe wrangle a $6-$25 food comp now and then.

Just plan to pay for everything and be pleasantly surprised when you get a reduced-price meal for yourself once a day.

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You can get $0.75 to $3/hr in comps for playing (again, depending on the casino).

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No more $3/hour at IP. Its either 1 or 2 bucks/hour now. I keep getting conflicting reports.

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In a perfect world I would expect:

1) A ride to and from the airport
2) A free room
3) 1 or 2 free meals a day (for me and wife)
4) 2 tickets to a show one night

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In a perfect world you would be committed to a mental institution because you are obviously living on a different planet than the rest of us.

Have you been given handouts your whole life and you actually think that your expectations are realistic, or are you seriously this delusional?

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1) Get a cab.
2) Get a poker rate if you play 4+ hours a day and they are available.
3) Maybe a discounted meal once a day for just you.
4) In your wet dreams.

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What about free hookers? What kind of town is this anyway??

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Good one.

Do what I do: travel with a rated BJ player, scam a roll-away bed in his suite, and pay for everything else.

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He is confusing poker grinders with the big whales that come in and get catered to in Vegas.

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pyth,

I get all that stuff and much more. The key to this is playing lots of blackjack and craps.

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Hi all,

I am 2 yr internet player that is planning my first poker trip to Vegas. I would like to know what type of comps I can expect to get from the Casinos. I would be playing 2/4 or 5/10 NL for 10 hours per day and plan to stay for 3 - 4 days. In a perfect world I would expect:

1) A ride to and from the airport
2) A free room
3) 1 or 2 free meals a day (for me and wife)
4) 2 tickets to a show one night

So my questions are as follows:

1) Am I crazy or is this possible? If crazy, what might be expected?
2) Which Casinos would be best to approach?
3) Are there times of the year where they offer more?
4) Can such a deal be worked out ahead of time, with an understanding, that I would have to pay for everything if I did not play the promised hours?

Any other general comments would be appreciated.

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You are going to have to stop watching the Travel Channel.

That show about Vegas Whales, American Casino, etc. If you notice, the whales are not playing Texas Holdem.

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Most casinos give nothing but a little food comp for play. Imperial palace was paying $3 an hour in comps as recently as December - but someone in this thread say they no longer do?

Drag

Squatosphere does some comps too.


"Real" comps are for BJ, Craps, and slots.


AB

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Are you on crack? You must be on crack..... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Py, since the others already pounded on ya' about your unrealistic expectations for casino comps, I won't bother. Keep in mind that 1/2 NL and 5/10NL is still in the realm of "small stakes" poker. Since poker rooms & poker players don't make the casino very much BIG money, the casinos don't usually knock themselves out when passing out comps.

Think of it this way. If you were running a business and one customer gave you about $1000 in sales ($1/2 NL poker player) and another customer gave you $25,000 in sales (black chip BJ or dice player), which customer would you be willing to give the VIP treatement to?

Good luck in Vegas!!!

Of course, if this post was just meant as a joke to get the rest of us fired up, then I applaud you for a good joke and faking out the rest of us.

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Aim for buffet line passes and the occasional meal comp(with a red chip toke) and you won't be disappointed. Expect anything more and you will be subject more abuse here and elsewehere.

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Thanks to those of you who gave me real answers.

And for those of you who got bent out of shape, pls tell me where you play cards. Because if you are that bad at reading a post, then you must suck at reading players and cards. My post clearly stated I'd never been to vegas and knew very little about this, and thus why I was posting and asking. So of course, I am probably going to be off base.

The only information I had was that a friend of mine just went to the Wynn and played 1/2 NL and got his room comped everyday for 6 hours of play. I was as surprised by this info, as I know the casions real money does not come from the poker room. But since this is true, if I were to play 5/10 NL and for twice as long, shouldn't I expect more? And shouldn't I expect 4x as much, since I play twice as long at more then double the stakes? Well, what is 4x more then free room?

Since most of you just gave me the same negative energy that you play cards with, I took matters into my own hands, and I have actually since called the Wynn, and discussed such a trip for me, three friends, and our wives. The room thing is true, 6 hours play a day and its comped. Additionaly you build $2 HR towards comps, but if you smart about it, a buffet meal a day can be put on top of that.

So it's not official yet, but I will not be surprised if I get 1, 2, 3 (1 buffet per day). However, I did basically get laughed at in regards to number 4 (unless we play table games).

What some of u narrow minded responders don't get is the following:

1) everything is negotiable
2) the casino has a big interest in 4 gamblers and 4 wives who like to spend cash, in thier casino.

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1) Get a players card at every casino you might even stick 25 cents into a slot machine at.

2) Most casinos don't use the players cards for Poker, but some do like Skankosphere and Imperial Palace. But players cards are how you get "into the system" to get freebies and offers.

3) Downtown casinos are generally much more aggressive in comps.


Comps work based as a percentage of the House EV.

Let's say you play blackjack, and the house EV is 1% for the game you play.

Over a period of one hour, you lose $500 total, but the total churn is $12,000 (that is, the total amount won and lost over one hour, all hands combined). This $12,000 is called your "handle".

If the house EV is 1%, then the house assumes that with a handle of $12,000, they made $120. This despite the fact that you lost $500, the house only considers the "theoretical" advantage relative to your HANDLE.

The typical comp is 20% of the theoretical EV - in this case that's 20% of $120, or $24.

Thus the comp value even though you lost $500 is a whopping $24.



Poker does not have this kind of EV for the house - they only get the rake, which is modest compared to other table games. And that rake is generated with 9 players, not one, so the comps are similarly reduced to a very low order.


If you want to stay in LV cheap, stay downtown, or off strip like Sam's Town or Palace Station. Tropicana has specials right now as they are closing soon for a major rehab. Also there's the Frontier if you don't mind an armpit, but it's cheap.

Downtown, Binion's and Freemont are generous with comps just for getting a players card.


Poker related comp expectations at a few places in LV:

Binion's: After 3 hours a play, get a small meal comp for $8
Golden Nugget: After 3 hours a play, get a meal comp for $10
Imperial Palace: Get $3 comp to players card per hour off play.
Stratosphere: Get a meal for 4 hours of play.
MGM: Meal comps, and a $40 reduction in room rate for 5 hours of play.
Luxor: Get a $5 meal discount for 3 hours of play.


NOTE: to get a comp you MUST ASK. they don't just hand them out - squeeky wheel gets the grease.

For more on B&M rooms in LV and comps. see:

http://www.allvegaspoker.com/


AB

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I called them 1-877-321-WYNN. Asked for poker room. Comped room for 6 hours poker play at any level. Comp points are above and beyond, starting at $1 hr at low levels and up to $2 hr at higher levels.

Now that is what they publish and advertise for all, even for donks like those that posted here with negative comments, so that means with some tips and friendly conversation, more is available!

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Wow - I LOVE the Wynn!

Damn - a FREE ROOM for 6 hours of 4/8??!!??! There's your positive EV right there!!!!

AB

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With the food cost, and the quality of food on the strip now--COMPS ARE CRAP ANYWAY-------

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I called them 1-877-321-WYNN. Asked for poker room. Comped room for 6 hours poker play at any level. Comp points are above and beyond, starting at $1 hr at low levels and up to $2 hr at higher levels.

Now that is what they publish and advertise for all, even for donks like those that posted here with negative comments, so that means with some tips and friendly conversation, more is available!

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The room is not free aka "comp'ed", just at a reduced rate, $129 weekdays and $199 weekends.

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I called back after Percula post, and I got a different story this time. Unfortunately, I got the one that Percula stated!

The first lady said that you got your room comped up to $129 during week and $199 on weekends. I then asked if there were rooms at this rate or less and they said yes.

The second time, I got the same story as Percula, where you room is reduced to this rate, which is about 50% off.

Sorry for misinformation, as I was only passing on what I was told the first time.

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pyth,

You were told the same thing both times.

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No I was not, because i specifically asked the following question...

So you can use the $129 credit on a $1000 suite and have it reduced or a $129 room and have it free...and she answered yes.

I don't think i could have misunderstood the answer to that direct question.

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No I was not, because i specifically asked the following question...

So you can use the $129 credit on a $1000 suite and have it reduced or a $129 room and have it free...and she answered yes.

I don't think i could have misunderstood the answer to that direct question.

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Where are the $129 regular-price rooms? I'm pretty sure there aren't any at the Wynn.

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Go to Tunica. $25 rooms and free food the entire time.

F Vegas. The action is better in Tunica anyway.

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$129 rooms at Wynn? LOL. I would like to see that, if that's true, and they'll pay that much for my room every night, then I would leave my nice apartment and go live in the Wynn. Also, is there any other hotels offering these kinds of comps? I'm on your side Pyth. I'm not picking on you. If anyone has some killer comps or cool links please post them. LOL. Check expedia, I don't see rooms that cheap.


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You don't read this forum much, do you?

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I called them 1-877-321-WYNN. Asked for poker room. Comped room for 6 hours poker play at any level. Comp points are above and beyond, starting at $1 hr at low levels and up to $2 hr at higher levels.

Now that is what they publish and advertise for all, even for donks like those that posted here with negative comments, so that means with some tips and friendly conversation, more is available!

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Well, I will be interested to read your trip report when you return to see what you actally paid for everything playing low limit poker.

And, if you are going to be playing in Vegas you need to get a thicker skin. The tables can be brutal at times.

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Hi all,

I am 2 yr internet player that is planning my first poker trip to Vegas. I would like to know what type of comps I can expect to get from the Casinos. I would be playing 2/4 or 5/10 NL for 10 hours per day and plan to stay for 3 - 4 days. In a perfect world I would expect:

1) A ride to and from the airport
2) A free room
3) 1 or 2 free meals a day (for me and wife)
4) 2 tickets to a show one night

So my questions are as follows:

1) Am I crazy or is this possible? If crazy, what might be expected?
2) Which Casinos would be best to approach?
3) Are there times of the year where they offer more?
4) Can such a deal be worked out ahead of time, with an understanding, that I would have to pay for everything if I did not play the promised hours?

Any other general comments would be appreciated.

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poker players generate very little money for the casino. your expectations are way too high.

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Thanks to those of you who gave me real answers.

And for those of you who got bent out of shape, pls tell me where you play cards. Because if you are that bad at reading a post, then you must suck at reading players and cards. My post clearly stated I'd never been to vegas and knew very little about this, and thus why I was posting and asking. So of course, I am probably going to be off base.

The only information I had was that a friend of mine just went to the Wynn and played 1/2 NL and got his room comped everyday for 6 hours of play. I was as surprised by this info, as I know the casions real money does not come from the poker room. But since this is true, if I were to play 5/10 NL and for twice as long, shouldn't I expect more? And shouldn't I expect 4x as much, since I play twice as long at more then double the stakes? Well, what is 4x more then free room?

Since most of you just gave me the same negative energy that you play cards with, I took matters into my own hands, and I have actually since called the Wynn, and discussed such a trip for me, three friends, and our wives. The room thing is true, 6 hours play a day and its comped. Additionaly you build $2 HR towards comps, but if you smart about it, a buffet meal a day can be put on top of that.

So it's not official yet, but I will not be surprised if I get 1, 2, 3 (1 buffet per day). However, I did basically get laughed at in regards to number 4 (unless we play table games).

What some of u narrow minded responders don't get is the following:

1) everything is negotiable
2) the casino has a big interest in 4 gamblers and 4 wives who like to spend cash, in thier casino.

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Ok, I didn't think it was possible, but you just dug your hole even deeper than it was after your first post and you have probably now alienated yourself from 90% of the people who have read this ridiculous thread.

When I said in my first reply to you that you were living on a different planet I meant it mainly in jest, but now I am really starting to believe that you reside in the Twilight Zone.

First you say that you talked to someone at the Wynn who told you you would be comped a room for playing 1/2 NL Hold 'em. Anybody who has every played poker at a casino knows that you are completely full of sh-t for making such a statment. What makes it even more absurd is that you are talking about the MOTHER F'IN WYNN, the nicest and most expensive hotel in the entire history of the city of Las Vegas. While the Wynn is quite generous with reduced room rates for people who are playing a game that makes miniscule amounts of money for the casino compared with slots and table games, to try to convince people here for ONE SECOND that you were offered a comp room for playing any form of poker is perhaps the most laughable thing I have seen on this forum in the year 2006. If somebody at the Wynn told ME such a thing the first thing I would do is ask to speak to a higher up because it would be obvious that the person I was speaking to did not know what the hell they were talking about. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN. If you go down to the El Cortez and sit at one of their poker tables for 24 hours straight you will not get a comped room (not that you would want one, but that's a different story).

It is obvious that you were not listening when you spoke to this person or that perhaps with your stubborn "I am always right and I deserve to be handed the world on a silver platter" way of thinking you only heard what you wanted to hear. The point is you were and are dead wrong and seem to have a very hard time admitting it.

You are delusional.

I find your statement of "everything is negotiable" to be quite laughable. I know you've never been to Vegas but what you need to realize is that this is 2006, not 1956. NOTHING is negotiable. At least not for people like you who will contribute about .00000000001% to the Wynn's bottom line for the fiscal year.

I also like this statement: "the casino has a big interest in 4 gamblers and 4 wives who like to spend cash, in thier casino."

You are sadly mistaken, sir. Recently the big hotels began to make more money from non-gaming revenue than they did from gaming revenue. That's not to say that they are disinterested in gamblers, but just about everybody who stays at the hotel is going to gamble at some point. If you think the Wynn or any other hotel on the Strip covets your 1/2 NL Hold 'em action the way you seem to think, then you are absolutely out of your mind. You are living in an entirely different century, sir. You seem to have serious delusions of grandeur.

I seriously pray that you post a detailed trip report when you return from your little vacation. Even better, I wish I could be sitting at the table with you to see the look on your face when, after playing two hours of 1/2 NL hold em, your request for a free steak dinner and tickets to see Elton John play at Caesars is denied.

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I called them 1-877-321-WYNN. Asked for poker room. Comped room for 6 hours poker play at any level. Comp points are above and beyond, starting at $1 hr at low levels and up to $2 hr at higher levels.

Now that is what they publish and advertise for all, even for donks like those that posted here with negative comments, so that means with some tips and friendly conversation, more is available!

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Well, I will be interested to read your trip report when you return to see what you actally paid for everything playing low limit poker.

And, if you are going to be playing in Vegas you need to get a thicker skin. The tables can be brutal at times.

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Yes. We definitely need a detailed trip report.

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Even better, I wish I could be sitting at the table with you to see the look on your face when, after playing two hours of 1/2 NL hold em, your request for a free steak dinner and tickets to see Elton John play at Caesars is denied.

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Amen Brother! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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pyth,

"a friend of mine just went to the Wynn and played 1/2 NL and got his room comped everyday for 6 hours of play"

Have you yelled at your friend for making you look like a fool?

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I'm still trying to figure out where they spread 2/4NL

as far as comps, you'll be lucky to get a buffet coupon @ the bellagio for playing 5/10NL 1Kmax

have a nice trip

nice to meetcha

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In a perfect world I would expect:

1) A ride to and from the airport
2) A free room
3) 1 or 2 free meals a day (for me and wife)
4) 2 tickets to a show one night

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Do a little homework - how much revenue will YOU generate the casino by playing 6 hours in their poker room?

Go ahead, figure it out.

After you do, see if that revenue even comes close to covering the expenses you want covered.

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In a perfect world I would expect:

1) A ride to and from the airport
2) A free room
3) 1 or 2 free meals a day (for me and wife)
4) 2 tickets to a show one night

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Do a little homework - how much revenue will YOU generate the casino by playing 6 hours in their poker room?

Go ahead, figure it out.

After you do, see if that revenue even comes close to covering the expenses you want covered.

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You don't think someone else has pointed this out to him in the 30 hours since he posted this?

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He was grunching!!!


:P

AB

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