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In general this is a pretty typical spot where I call the flop with air. My opponent seemed fairly straight foward from what I saw, and tended to give up after the flop after CBs. My image probably is a little loose/aggro, but I haven't gotten out of line really.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($985)
SB ($1018)
BB ($2097.75)
UTG ($2289.75)
MP ($1176)
CO ($970)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $35</font>, Hero calls $35, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($85) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $60</font>, Hero calls $60.

Turn: ($205) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $150</font>, CO calls $150.

River: ($505) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $300</font> ...Too thin?

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What is your purpose for betting the river?

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What is your purpose for betting the river?

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To get worse hands to call.

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With your image, I think it's a good bet. Well played.

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I like this a lot, especially if you don't think he's tricky enough to represent a flush or 2p or something with a big c/r.

In fact, I think I miss out on a lot of value by not betting in this spot often enough. All too often I find myself checking behind here, then getting shown something like QJ, J9, T9, A-QT, 99, or even 98 and thinking to myself "I might have extracted something if I had the balls to bet the river."

Anyway, it seems likely, given the river deuce, that you'll get called and shown one of the above hands. I guess sometimes he calls and has AJ or a smallish flush. I would think AJ or one of the 3 2p hands that make sense would lead the turn, or do something other than check-calling. Overall, the river looks good to me.

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Yo, thoughts on the flop/ turn play as well ppl

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I just realized this could be a weakly-played QQ here by the villain. Still, I like the bet.

Flop is a float, I don't really have much to say about it. If he's the type to give up on the turn, float away.

I like the turn bet for the same reason I like the river bet: worse hands call, better hands probably would have led. or at worst, they c/r and you can be done with the hand. Maybe there's something to be said for pot control in this spot, but a straightforward player who has you beat is going to show strength here. He didn't.

Edit: avatar changed back, huh? I guess it's more recognizable, but it doesn't have the Simpsons reference charm. For the longest time I thought it was a goldfish wearing a hat rather than some faux-cubist depiction of a face in profile.

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flop/turn play is fine

river check behind UNLESS he's seen you bluff rivers before, then your bet is fine. a majority of the time you should check behind this river though. he'll see your cards, know you're floating, and possibly go on monkey tilt

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I don't see what Villain is going to call with here that you beat. Maybe AT or T9 or something like that. If you got a call and won, that is a great value bet.

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I would value bet that spot too, but pf is bad.

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What is your purpose for betting the river?

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To get worse hands to call.

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I think it's pretty thin, but it's really up to your table feel, the ebb and flow of the table, i guess. I definetely don't hate it.

Edit: I would much rather reraise PF, however, but that is coupled with re-raising w/ a multitude of hands PF.

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I like the float and the river bet. Preflop of course you can re-raise and slap this guy down, but you've probably done enough of that. If he can't call here then he needs to find another table. Pwn.

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I don't see the point of the river bet, especially given your image and your opponent's.

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I would value bet that spot too, but pf is bad.

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you guys reraise w/ KJo??

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What makes everyone think that hero is beat or if he isn't villian won't call. Of course bet you do not want him to know you're floating him and you want his frustration to build that he thinks you're stealing pots (so you can stack him).

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The bet on river is fine. I think raise is a much better option then a call on the flopp.

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you guys reraise w/ KJo??

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ppl were implying a fold... but i think call&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; fold&gt;reraise

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Pre-flop is questionable and float is questionable since you didnt even have something like backdoor flush or gutshot with your overs.

River looks way to thin for my liking even with a slightly loose/agro image. Does AT even call that?

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I would value bet that spot too, but pf is bad.

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you guys reraise w/ KJo??



ppl were implying a fold... but i think call&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; fold&gt;reraise

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durr, you dont want to make a thin vb w/ top pair, but you want to be in this spot pf?

if you call pf with kjo, do you believe hands like 87o, A4o, J2s, and/or QTo show profit otb vs a raise? I feel none of them do, unless your opponent is INCREDIBLY bad, or they are so weak/tight that a reraise w/ atc shows more profit. reason i say this is I feel you believe a call here is better then a fold given you can use position to outplay a potential stealer, in which case your actual hand (Kj doesnt have much value anyway, but does more so then say J3o or k5o) doesnt matter...

also, on the river here, this is a v thin bet, but there is value, ESPECIALLY if you're floating a million and one hands ...

edit: I would not reraise w/ this hand, but there are many situations where a reraise is clearly the best play (pf) but in many occaisons I believe call &gt; reraise. but fold is better then both.

if you have KJs, your argument makes a lot more sense.

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The play seems fine, but betting over 1/2 the pot on the river what hands do expect to get called down on that ur ahead of?

I personally would probably bet like $195 instead of $300 - to encourage a call with worse hands - but is this is a bad play b/c now it looks less like a bluff and more like a weak value bet?

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So yeah, I bet 300, he called with T9. I win.

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Haven't read the other replies, but turn and river look fine. Seems like one of those spots where he'll call w/ worse some of the time (perhaps because he's a station, perhaps because he suspects you're floating) and fold better sometimes too (fearing a flush, most likely, but may or may not be probable based on just how crazy you've been).

That flop is a kinda dodgy one to float; it looks like the type of board where someone leading the flop is going to call down, unless a four card straight develops, and perhaps then too. I don't float as often as some, but I tend to save it for flops that have more potential to become scary.

-neon

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nh

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I fold preflop. I check the river against sane players.

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The worst hand that might call you on that board is Ace 10. Or maybe QJ. From experience at the 5/10, bad river bet.

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if you call pf with kjo, do you believe hands like 87o, A4o, J2s, and/or QTo show profit otb vs a raise?

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I would call KJo, QTo, and 87o against most opponents, and fold A4o and J2s. Am I silly?

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I call or reraise KJs in this spot, but I probably fold KJo. I just have a fetish for suited cards.

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if you call pf with kjo, do you believe hands like 87o, A4o, J2s, and/or QTo show profit otb vs a raise?

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I would call KJo, QTo, and 87o against most opponents, and fold A4o and J2s. Am I silly?

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I dont know if you're silly, but I believe those offsuit connectors/1gap in your range are probably losing you money, unless (the key stipulation) you're calling in position vs a very bad player (easy to read) a very passive player, one who opens WAY too many hands in the steal spot, or you're v deep against a guy who overvalues limit sklansky hands.

although some instances those calls could be +EV, it probably is a small leak for you to cold call those spots.

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I call or reraise KJs in this spot, but I probably fold KJo. I just have a fetish for suited cards.

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I normally do the same

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NH but villan probably plays QQ the same way too btw. Is there any chance villan is tricky enough here to go for the river CR with a set/ as a bluff? If not then I like as you can easily dump to any raise.