PS $22 180 hand
 

Should I be raising more preflop here? Even though the big stacks are pretty loose, I'm not sure if I could have gotten more value with a bigger raise preflop or if it would scare them off.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) converter

Button (t2755)
SB (t5220)
BB (t5285)
UTG (t795)
UTG+1 (t3178)
Hero (t2645)
MP2 (t11745)
CO (t14753)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, MP2 calls t600, CO calls t600, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t2100) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Turn: (t2100) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

River: (t2100) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2100

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 5s Qs (one pair, queens).
MP2 has Ac 9c (one pair, nines).
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins t2100. </font>

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

Wrong forum. But I bet you've noticed that by now.

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

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Wrong forum. But I bet you've noticed that by now.

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I love comments like this.

Probably could have raised more if the 12k stack was loose. It's not like you're going to lose the hand or anything.

EDIT: Definitely should have pushed at some point.

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

Isn't this a preflop limp? You really don't want to raise here and scare off the fish who are drawing dead. Sure you give up your edge preflop, but with hands like this your edge is almost as big post flop where you'll be able to get in far more money due to your preflop deception.

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

Am I misreading something? Are we really playing Q5s?

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

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Am I misreading something? Are we really playing Q5s?

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It's pretty obvious we're playing it, the question is should I have raised more? Perhaps limped?

Jared

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

What about limp-reraising all-in? If MP2 is the initial raiser and is aggressive, he's gotta be calling your push with a 12k stack.

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

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Am I misreading something? Are we really playing Q5s?

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Looked like a clear pre-flop fold to me too.

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

What happened on the flop and other streets? Don't tell me you checked it down. You can't afford to check strong hands like this. I like the raise preflop, but a limp/raise might have also worked if you felt the table was being somewhat aggressive.

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Am I misreading something? Are we really playing Q5s?

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Looked like a clear pre-flop fold to me too.

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this is obviously incorrect

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

Since you're in early position here, I'd try a limp or a miniraise to try to induce a push. Then you can safely call. The best-case scenario, of course, is if two or three are all-in in front of you.

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

I believe this is the correct forum for this post. OP is playing a Granny Mae and wants the zoo to know about it. I believe the accepted proper strategy is an all-in push.

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

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Am I misreading something? Are we really playing Q5s?

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Looked like a clear pre-flop fold to me too.

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this is obviously incorrect

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Agreed, Qc5c=Nuts

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

Your preflop raise is perfect. With Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] you want some action, but not crowd. After you miss you check-raise attempt on the flop, go ahead and bet the turn--with your short stack you need to get more value out of this monster.

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What happened on the flop and other streets? Don't tell me you checked it down. You can't afford to check strong hands like this. I like the raise preflop, but a limp/raise might have also worked if you felt the table was being somewhat aggressive.

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Wow my posting skills suck. After the call preflop I knew I had him so I simply pushed the flop. He called with the quite weak A9.

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Am I misreading something? Are we really playing Q5s?

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Looked like a clear pre-flop fold to me too.

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this is obviously incorrect

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Agreed, Qc5c=Nuts

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Do I look like the kind of fool who would think that Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is the nuts?

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the big stacks are pretty loose

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].


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fold preflop

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What happened on the flop and other streets? Don't tell me you checked it down. You can't afford to check strong hands like this. I like the raise preflop, but a limp/raise might have also worked if you felt the table was being somewhat aggressive.

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Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

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Sure you give up your edge preflop, but with hands like this your edge is almost as big post flop where you'll be able to get in far more money due to your preflop deception.

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woo

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

Whats with all these posters with the bad advice, like posting in the wrong forums, folding preflop, especially folding preflop, thats just crazy talk right there.

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the big stacks are pretty loose

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].


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fold preflop

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Do you hate money?

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

first one i have played in MONTHS


Seat 1: GrannyMae ($214.00 in chips)
Seat 2: baypoint ($129.00 in chips)
Seat 3: biggiefly ($113.00 in chips)
Seat 4: flopthecard ($77.00 in chips)
Seat 5: biggestbear ($438.00 in chips)
flopthecard: Post Small Blind ($1)
biggestbear: Post Big Blind ($3)
Dealing...
Dealt to GrannyMae [ Qs ]
Dealt to GrannyMae [ 5s ]
GrannyMae: Raise ($6)
baypoint: Fold
biggiefly: Call ($6)
flopthecard: Call ($5)
biggestbear: Fold
*** FLOP *** : [ 4c Js 3s ]
flopthecard: Bet ($3)
GrannyMae: Raise ($6)
biggiefly: Fold
flopthecard: Fold
GrannyMae: Winner -- doesn't show cards
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $26 | Rake: $1
Board: [ 4c Js 3s ]
GrannyMae bet $12, collected $29, net +$17 [ Qs 5s ] (high card queen)
baypoint didn't bet (folded)
biggiefly lost $6 (folded)
flopthecard lost $9 (folded)
biggestbear lost $3 (folded)

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

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Wrong forum. But I bet you've noticed that by now.

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Never mind I'm an idiot.

Cut me some slack it was 3:45 AM. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

"Should I be raising more preflop here?"

Personally in this position I would advise just pushing PF.

The hand speaks for itself &amp; plays it self.

Once you get a caller, it's all over anyways.....

Other than that I quite enjoyed this thread [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

I think I am disturbed by the number of people that do not know why a Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] hand was posted here.

Re: PS $22 180 hand
 

I have a friend that always plays Q5 as well... creepy part is he was doing it long before he started reading 2+2.

As for this hand... if they are aggressive, I'd just slowplay it since they are drawing dead pf. If they are just loose and passive, go ahead and push pf.