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BB is old, but more taggish than nitty. He's prob a winning player. He's played with me a good amount and thinks I am too aggressive.

One limper. I raise 99. 2 callers. BB 3 bets. all call.

Flop TJ5 rainbow. BB leads. UTG folds. I have 2 left to act behind me getting slightly better than 16:1 and I...?


A. Call once, because the players behind me are passive and probably won't raise and the BB might have AK in which case I have the best hand.
B. Fold because there are players left to act behind me and my 2 outer will make a straight for someone else pretty often, and old guys don't really lead with AK here.
C. Raise because I might get it HU and I have backdoor straight possibilities to go with my 2 outer and the pot is big.

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Fold.

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easy fold

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easy fold

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for everyone who says ez fold, change something in the hand that makes our decision different.

for example, let's say that there is only one player left to act behind me.

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for everyone who says ez fold, change something in the hand that makes our decision different.

for example, let's say that there is only one player left to act behind me.

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I'd still fold. If the flop was like J85 I'd raise.

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Fold. You are way behind. Older guy in the BB doesn't three bet without JJ or better. Moreover, he would never lead out with AK against this many players with flop.

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If there was no one behind you... I raise... heads up you're in a way better spot obv.

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easy fold. an example where we don't fold: the flop doesn't come with 2 connected overs and there aren't people behind us to act. you probably already know this though right? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yeah, the pot is big, but we have two to act behind us and that flop hit their range pretty hard, so I'm not liking you continuing, for fear it gets popped behind you (and he could 3-bet, making you throw up in your mouth a little bit.)

Is he 3-betting range OOP almost always AA-QQ, or would he 3-bet JJ and TT too? As he opens up his 3-betting range, I want you to fold even more, since you'd be more reliant on your BD straight draws against his range.

But yeah, regardless, I like folding here regardless, but just wanted to make a point/as a question about his 3-betting range and our flop equity.

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If there was no one behind you... I raise... heads up you're in a way better spot obv.

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This is really wrong. HU Im still folding on this flop, but if it was a flop I wanted to continue on, I'd just call due to my equity being inadequate and the fact that I dont need to protect my hand.

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BB is old, but more taggish than nitty. He's prob a winning player. He's played with me a good amount and thinks I am too aggressive.

One limper. I raise 99. 2 callers. BB 3 bets. all call.

Flop TJ5 rainbow. BB leads. UTG folds. I have 2 left to act behind me getting slightly better than 16:1 and I...?


A. Call once, because the players behind me are passive and probably won't raise and the BB might have AK in which case I have the best hand.
B. Fold because there are players left to act behind me and my 2 outer will make a straight for someone else pretty often, and old guys don't really lead with AK here.
C. Raise because I might get it HU and I have backdoor straight possibilities to go with my 2 outer and the pot is big.

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I'll go against the crowd here. Rainbow flop, no flush draws. You are getting 16 to 1 with a draw to trips and backdoor straight draw. The guy probably did not 3 bet with KQ, which makes a straight when you hit your set. Implied odds are good. If you hit on the turn you likely collect on turn, possibly two bets, plus a bet on the river, and perhaps more from the others. I call it 3 adjusted outs. Call the draw to the set about 1.75 outs and the backdoor straight only 1.25 outs (rather than 1.5 since it is not to the nut straight). With 16 small bets in the pot and giving it just 4 more expected small bets for implied odds, 20:1 is sufficient for 3 outs... or even 2.5 outs. In fact, 18 to 1 would be okay for 2.5 outs, which would be only two more small bets of implied odds.

You will call the turn if an 8 comes, giving you the open ender, of course. If it is heads up on the turn I'd consider calling if a new overcard does not hit. There is a good chance he has AK or AQ suited. If the turn is 3 way action or more, fold to a bet without improvement.