50nl KK facing RR from blind
 

Only seen about 4 orbits from this guy, he was running 44/22/inf. No other info.... Very agro though.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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Hero (MP1): $53.50
MP2: $49.25
CO: $49
BTN: $34.70
SB: $50.25
BB: $51.25
UTG: $20.55
UTG+1: $87.90

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP1)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls $2, 2 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $10</font>

Hero ???

Re: 50nl KK facing RR from blind
 

Hero 4-bets. Not really a tough decision. Making it anything over $25 would be fine by me. Push, w/e.

Re: 50nl KK facing RR from blind
 

fistpump push imo. I never fold KK preflop for ~100BB

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Hero pushes all day long against a guy with these stats. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If he were 6/1/1, it'd be a different story (maybe).

Re: 50nl KK facing RR from blind
 

get it all in.

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Thx, just checking line. Pooosh and slam hand on table when villian shows AA.

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] that'll happen, regardless. However, against this type of villain you'll see QQ/AK and JJ sometimes so it's worth it. Against a 6/1/1 you know you're going to be fooked. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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However, against this type of villain you'll see QQ/AK and JJ sometimes so it's worth it.

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You'll see a lot more than that from a 44/22.

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However, against this type of villain you'll see QQ/AK and JJ sometimes so it's worth it.

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You'll see a lot more than that from a 44/22.

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True, but I didn't want to give myself carpal tunnel typing out all the hands. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The real question is, how much does his 44/22 stats (over ~40 hands mind you) indicate what he'll call a 4-bet with? We sometimes get overly excited about villians who appear LAG and automatically assume he'll stack off light pre-flop (calling our push).

Certainly we are likely way ahead of his range here and maybe I just like to play with fire, but I generally believe that we're more likely to get his stack if we smoothcall and let him hang himself.

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The real question is, how much does his 44/22 stats (over ~40 hands) indicated what he'll call a 4-bet with? We sometimes get overly excited about villians who appear LAG and automatically assume he'll stack off light pre-flop (calling our push).

Certainly we are likely way ahead of his range here and maybe I just like to play with fire, but I generally believe that we're more likely to get his stack if we smoothcall and let him hang himself.

[/ QUOTE ]phew, thought i was the only one. I decided not to post after I saw all the "4 bet", "push" advice. Calling is very standard here IMO.

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Haha. I was originally going to say "call or min-raise him" but then I saw all the "shove you only lose to AA" posts and I'm like "sigh... you guys are missing the point lol."

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phew, thought i was the only one. I decided not to post after I saw all the "4 bet", "push" advice. Calling is very standard here IMO.

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lol, yeah me too. I was thinking "omg, do I totally suck @ this spot for value-calling?"

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Haha. I was originally going to say "call or min-raise him" but then I saw all the "shove you only lose to AA" posts and I'm like "sigh... you guys are missing the point lol."

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QFT

Re: 50nl KK facing RR from blind
 

Id actually flat this and look to get it in on a non ace flop. Even if CO calls I think your pretty profitable in this situation.

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I thought about calling here, but I thought I would lose him on flop if an A didnt flop (obv I would hate that). I thought he would call with AA KK QQ JJ(maybe) and AK. If I take it down PF thats ok too.

The guy almost seemed tilty by his play even with the small sample I have seen from him.

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Plus you can get the CO to call if you flat here. Someone with those stats is most likely a moron, but that doesnt mean they are calling 4bets AI with A9o

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Plus you can get the CO to call if you flat here. Someone with those stats is most likely a moron, but that doesnt mean they are calling 4bets AI with A9o

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Very true...

Question, now say I smooth call. I am facing a maniac type in the bb and a trailer (we will say unknown). SO 3 way flop comes with A, do we even Cbet this. Looking at a 20$ish CBet, or do we give up on hand?.

How often does an lag and an unknown NOT have an A here?

Re: 50nl KK facing RR from blind
 

Just fold if the Ace comes.

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Thanks all, didn't think this hand would get that much discussion.

It's kind of funny, when I'm running good I think I call here and when running bad, I just poossh this, its seems when I'm not running well, an A always falls.

Re: 50nl KK facing RR from blind
 

If you call and the middle guy folds, I would never fold on any flop.

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Question, now say I smooth call. I am facing a maniac type in the bb and a trailer (we will say unknown). SO 3 way flop comes with A, do we even Cbet this. Looking at a 20$ish CBet, or do we give up on hand?.

How often does an lag and an unknown NOT have an A here?

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Against 2 opponents I would not be cbetting against someone who made such a big 3bet pre flop.

I check turn, check/fold river.

Re: 50nl KK facing RR from blind
 

I'd just call here like 95% of the time.