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Chaser8 11-22-2007 06:19 PM

Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
CO's stats are 18/14/2.71 and BTN's stats are 39/19/1

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $391
Hero (SB): $465.10
BB: $493.50
UTG: $412.20
CO: $863.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, BTN calls $14, <font color="red">Hero raises to $64</font>, BB folds, CO calls $50, BTN calls $50

Flop: ($196) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
I'm first to act, then CO, then BTN. WTF do I do here? I'm not particularly happy about bet/calling, nor do I want to give a free card. Aside from the stats, I don't have any reads on the vilains.

Christophers 11-22-2007 06:30 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
c/f

Laetus 11-22-2007 06:30 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
I like a check and take it from there. Probably check/fold to a decent bet on flop.

docnuclear 11-22-2007 07:31 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
it might be a leak but I bet fold small like 110, board is so scary no worse hand is raising

JSmith2007 11-22-2007 07:33 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
My line would be to try a suck bet, $80ish and see how the players react. I think you could get a fold from one of them with a lower pocket pair. If I get raised by any one, insta-folding though as I don't see how anyone could raise given the current action pf.

FionnMac 11-22-2007 07:35 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
obviously check

Chaser8 11-22-2007 07:35 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
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it might be a leak but I bet fold small like 110, board is so scary no worse hand is raising

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But are hands like AQ and TJ calling enough to make up for when I have to fold to a raise?

optionsguy 11-22-2007 07:39 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
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nor do I want to give a free card.

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pretty sure you want a free card.

JSmith2007 11-22-2007 07:44 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
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it might be a leak but I bet fold small like 110, board is so scary no worse hand is raising

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But are hands like AQ and TJ calling enough to make up for when I have to fold to a raise?

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I see it like this - you suck bet the flop, you get a caller, you're looking at flush draws or AQ-AJ-JT. Any hand that raises you hit broadway (AT), two pair, or AQhh which you'd be behind.

People are wanting a free card, but I'm not sure you do. A free card really doesn't improve your hand, because if you hit an ace you're worrying about a ten. You hit a king, that would be the best card possible, when you're most likely ahead if you get callers on the flop regardless.

Chaser8 11-22-2007 07:50 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
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it might be a leak but I bet fold small like 110, board is so scary no worse hand is raising

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But are hands like AQ and TJ calling enough to make up for when I have to fold to a raise?

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I see it like this - you suck bet the flop, you get a caller, you're looking at flush draws or AQ-AJ-JT. Any hand that raises you hit broadway (AT), two pair, or AQhh which you'd be behind.

People are wanting a free card, but I'm not sure you do. A free card really doesn't improve your hand, because if you hit an ace you're worrying about a ten. You hit a king, that would be the best card possible, when you're most likely ahead if you get callers on the flop regardless.

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Suppose I suck bet $120 on the flop, and CO calls me. Turn brings a As, giving me two-pair. I have to stack off, right?

JFsports 11-22-2007 07:50 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
I would check it, flop is bad for your hand. I really can't see anyone betting worse than your hand on the flop, so probably c/f. Definitely fold to cutoff.

Chaser8 11-22-2007 07:54 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
Alrighty. Check is what I did. Now here's the turn, which makes things a little more interesting.

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $391
Hero (SB): $465.10
BB: $493.50
UTG: $412.20
CO: $863.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, BTN calls $14, <font color="red">Hero raises to $64</font>, BB folds, CO calls $50, BTN calls $50

Flop: ($196) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($196) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Action?

JFsports 11-22-2007 07:55 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
I would bet $133, fold to CO if he shoves, and hope button calls.

JSmith2007 11-22-2007 08:13 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
Yeah, a $125 bet seems good here. I would even debate abotu calling a raise (not a shove) though.

Chaser8 11-22-2007 08:20 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
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Yeah, a $125 bet seems good here. I would even debate abotu calling a raise (not a shove) though.

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But even calling a minraise leaves me with $100 in a $500 pot on the river, so I might as well just stack off to any raise....

JSmith2007 11-22-2007 08:27 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
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Yeah, a $125 bet seems good here. I would even debate abotu calling a raise (not a shove) though.

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But even calling a minraise leaves me with $100 in a $500 pot on the river, so I might as well just stack off to any raise....

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Ah, touche then. I forgot about stacks with that and wasn't thinking very much. I think it depends on who raises too. If button raises I'm more entitled to fold, but I think if CO does it, I'm more entitled to call. Simply because CO played it more like a bigger hand than a ten would have in it (AJ-AK, 88-JJ). Meanwhile, I could see button having a very marginal hand like AT-JT.

Chaser8 11-22-2007 08:48 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
I botched the turn, and checked. Here's the rest of the action. Is a fold obvious on the river?

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $391
Hero (SB): $465.10
BB: $493.50
UTG: $412.20
CO: $863.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, BTN calls $14, <font color="red">Hero raises to $64</font>, BB folds, CO calls $50, BTN calls $50

Flop: ($196) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($196) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: ($196) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $120</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $410</font>

RiverHebrew2 11-22-2007 09:31 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
Seriously sick. I'd put button on a smallish pair, and CO on a good hand. I think I'd bet 132 and call a push from idiot button, but bet/fold 132 if CO shoves. I think that's best line TBH. You're not THAT committed... you would have half ur stack in on the flop but can safely fold if solid CO shoves. Never fold if idiot button pushes, though is AF is 1...

Darkfolder 11-22-2007 10:18 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
Fine, now fold.

ScoobyDooo 11-22-2007 10:40 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
yeah thats a pretty sick spot. i'd probably wanna wait and see what button does on the river here before making up my mind. if he sticks his whole stack in as well then its a turbo-muck imo

Cooper 11-23-2007 05:40 AM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
I like the way you played it, river is a fold. If the flush hand't hit I might have called it, he SHOULD have bet turn with a T if he's not a complete slowplaying idiot.

olof86 11-23-2007 09:00 AM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
I'd be inclined to call if the button was the one doing the raising. But with CO doing it, it's a fold

Chaser8 11-23-2007 01:52 PM

Re: Squeezed with AK, got called TWICE and flop comes broadway ZOMG
 
I made the call and he showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Because we were slightly deeper than 100bb and he has position, he had the implied odds to call my squeeze with his suited connector. It just goes to show you that even tags don't necessarily have to call 3bets pre with high cards when he has position and a full effective stack.


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