c-bet this flop?
 

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MP3 ($100.00) (Hero)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, UTG+2 calls,

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 3BB )
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, HERO?

I think its stop to take free card and dont c-bet, like you think?

Re: c-bet this flop?
 

i check

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C-Bet it. You should c/bet nearly 100% of the time in a 3 handed pot with O/C's.

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Bet for value.

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Yep, no backdoors for you. Kind of coordinated board. I check. Did UTG+2 call pre-flop?

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I'd c-bet here, because I have position on the two players still in the hand. 3 or more players, I'd take the free card. I'd also be inclined to check if there were still players to act after me.

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depends on your style and personal playing habits.
I cbet this cuz of position and handvalue.
Some will tend to say this board connects with to much, which is tru but why check to you if they are made

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I C-bet here lots and lots.

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depends on your style and personal playing habits.
I cbet this cuz of position and handvalue.
Some will tend to say this board connects with to much, which is tru but why check to you if they are made

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So would you fold it if check-raised?
With people c-betting so much, if I hit a part of that flop as a villain I'd probably c/r.

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I dont think it matters. But I probably c-bet close to 100% here which Im starting to think is a leak.

Im probably taking the freecard on the turn instead and then well see.

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I was just afraid that this flop is so coordinated that someone can raise it with any draw or hand like A7s, A9s and I dont wanna see turn for 2 SB.

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I'm confused as to how UTG+2 folded preflop and then came back to call your raise? Whatever...

In any case, I'd c-bet this flop 100% of the time in a field of only three (or HU if UTG+2 didn't actually call). The flop misses your opponent(s) 67% of the time, so you could still have the best hand. Bet for value. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I dont think it matters. But I probably c-bet close to 100% here which Im starting to think is a leak.

Im probably taking the freecard on the turn instead and then well see.

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I disagree with checking behind on the turn. People will put you on a C-bet and peel this flop with a lot of hands. When they miss the turn and check through to you again. it's time to continue your aggression and take down the pot. At least in my opinion.

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I bet here a high proportion of the time. Not always, but a lot.

Assuming a call, I also c-bet again on the turn if that bricks (a real brick here is a 2-4 or a 9, because its A8 we're frit of.)

So on this board I'm often betting turn 21/46 of the time. (2/3/4/9/J/A). Should I also be considering betting a 6 a 7 or is this being wildly laggy?

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I'm confused as to how UTG+2 folded preflop and then came back to call your raise? Whatever...

In any case, I'd c-bet this flop 100% of the time in a field of only three (or HU if UTG+2 didn't actually call). The flop misses your opponent(s) 67% of the time, so you could still have the best hand. Bet for value. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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why 67%?
Each opponent has about 33% to hit his OC's + sometimes he has pocet pair.

So you have about 33% chance that no one of 2 villains hit any OC's.

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I check this flop. It is very coordinated and my opponents are more likely to have connected than I did. We really don't care to get c/r'd and that will happen quite a bit, especially from tough players.

Take the free card and fold turn UI if donked to.

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why 67%?
Each opponent has about 33% to hit

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Like you said, they'll hit 33% of the time. So, 1 - 0.33 = 0.67, or 67%. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

So, it is a field of three? The preflop action kinda confused me since it showed UTG+2 folding and then calling.

The odds of both of them missing the flop, then, would be 0.67 * 0.67 = 0.45, or 45%. Since you're investing one small bet to potentially win six, you only need to be successful here 15% of the time for this to be a profitable play. Since 45% is far greater than 15%, betting seems right (remember that they can't fold if you don't bet). [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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why 67%?
Each opponent has about 33% to hit

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Like you said, they'll hit 33% of the time. So, 1 - 0.33 = 0.67, or 67%. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

So, it is a field of three? The preflop action kinda confused me since it showed UTG+2 folding and then calling.

The odds of both of them missing the flop, then, would be 0.67 * 0.67 = 0.45, or 45%. Since you're investing one small bet to potentially win six, you only need to be successful here 15% of the time for this to be a profitable play. Since 45% is far greater than 15%, betting seems right (remember that they can't fold if you don't bet). [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I believe that 33% statistic of hitting the flop only applies to whether someone paired up their hold cards if they were unpaired. It does not take into account whether they hit the flop w/ some kind of draw, which would then over take your hand as the favorite. Of course, you've been behind all along if someone had a PP to begin with.

The pot is not large, the flop missed us as badly as it can. Next hand please.

Re: c-bet this flop?
 

A few things to consider:


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966,381,570 games 21.892 secs 44,143,137 games/sec

Board: 6d 9s 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.761% 22.85% 00.91% 220849682 8774537.33 { AcJc }
Hand 1: 38.119% 36.68% 01.44% 354508891 13869784.33 { random }
Hand 2: 38.119% 36.68% 01.44% 354508891 13869784.33 { random }


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UTG+2 has top 60% of hands, SB top 40%:

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151,653,432 games 3.545 secs 42,779,529 games/sec

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Board: 6d 9s 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 20.673% 19.26% 01.41% 29213658 2137594.50 { AcJc }
Hand 1: 38.565% 37.28% 01.28% 56541818 1943752.50 { 22+, A2s+,
K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T3s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, A2o+, K3o+, Q5o+, J7o+, T7o+, 97o+, 87o }
Hand 2: 40.762% 39.12% 01.64% 59324759 2491850.00 { 55+, A2s+,
K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }


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And we're quickly reaching the 15% that makes a sense equity wise for a bluff. UTG+2 has top 30% of hands, SB cold-caller has top 15% of hands:

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39,169,431 games 0.922 secs 42,483,113 games/sec

Board: 6d 9s 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 20.879% 18.71% 02.17% 7326967 851126.50 { AcJc }
Hand 1: 41.470% 39.86% 01.61% 15613207 630252.50 { 55+, A2s+, K4s+, Q6s+, J7s+, T8s+, 98s, A5o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 2: 37.651% 35.55% 02.10% 13923784 824094.00 { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QJo }


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Please consider that you might get check-raised on the flop, too. A bet on the turn looks much more scary than a boring c-bet.
I'm not saying NEVER c-bet here, but I would rather not...

"Still got to c-bet c-bet everything in limit hold'em."

Re: c-bet this flop?
 

Against two opponents I bet here. I hope to get a free card on the turn if my hand doesn't improve.

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I dont think it matters. But I probably c-bet close to 100% here which Im starting to think is a leak.

Im probably taking the freecard on the turn instead and then well see.

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This is my line too. If I am checked raised on the flop I call getting 9:1 to and fold the turn unimproved. I don't think this is a leak because you will be ahead here a large percentage of the time.

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Bet for value.

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qft

Re: c-bet this flop?
 

fairly similar AQ hand