I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the time.
 

I've been reading here for a couple of months and trying to learn, etc.. now I'm getting pushed out of pots, I'm paranoid, I'm forgetting that people do actually bluff sometimes.

I'm in a hand, I feel it, I know it, but I lay it down because I'm trying to be sensible and play right.

That's all. Just had to get that off my chest.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the time.
 

call/push next time and see if you were bluffed.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

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call/push next time and see if you were bluffed.

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Ha. I've been shown a few bluffs lately.

Here's one from yesterday that I caught. Who knows how many I haven't

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t120 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB (t3785)
Hero (t1765)
SB (t3450)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t480</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2065 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t1285.

Flop: (t3890) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
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Turn: (t3890) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t3890) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3890

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ks 7h (one pair, sevens).
Hero has 9h 9s (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins t3590. BB wins t300. </font>

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

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call/push next time and see if you were bluffed.

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Ha. I've been shown a few bluffs lately.

Here's one from yesterday that I caught. Who knows how many I haven't

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t120 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB (t3785)
Hero (t1765)
SB (t3450)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t480</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2065 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t1285.

Flop: (t3890) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
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Turn: (t3890) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t3890) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3890

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ks 7h (one pair, sevens).
Hero has 9h 9s (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins t3590. BB wins t300. </font>

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you are calling/pushing here because you have a MONSTER, not because you think villian is bluffing.

post some where you have marginal hands and need villian to be bluffing for calling to be good.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

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call/push next time and see if you were bluffed.

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Ha. I've been shown a few bluffs lately.

Here's one from yesterday that I caught. Who knows how many I haven't

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t120 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB (t3785)
Hero (t1765)
SB (t3450)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t480</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2065 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t1285.

Flop: (t3890) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
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Turn: (t3890) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t3890) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3890

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ks 7h (one pair, sevens).
Hero has 9h 9s (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins t3590. BB wins t300. </font>

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Please tell me that it never even crossed your mind to fold your pocket 9s to the villian's re-raise. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Please tell me that it never even crossed your mind to fold your pocket 9s to the villian's re-raise. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Well, a few minutes before I had read a post on 2+2 where hero was advised to fold his 9s, so yes, it crossed my mind.

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post some where you have marginal hands and need villian to be bluffing for calling to be good.

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Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB (t5560)
BB (t1535)
Hero (t1905)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t150.

Flop: (t550) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, BB calls t100.

Turn: (t750) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font>, BB calls t350.

River: (t1450) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t835 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t835.

Final Pot: t3120

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Kd 9h (one pair, queens).
Hero has Ac Ts (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins t3120. </font>

I guess this sort of counts:

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB (t6960)
Hero (t2040)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t400) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t100</font>, Hero calls t100.

Turn: (t600) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t900</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: t1600

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. Hero wins t1600. </font>

My paranoia

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP (t1600)
CO (t1175)
Button (t1840)
SB (t1285)
BB (t1795)
Hero (t1305)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t105</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t105, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t75.

Flop: (t330) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t330) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t250</font>, Hero calls t250, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t500</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t1690 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds, Button calls t1190.

River: (t3960) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3960

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Button has 7d Ah (straight, five high).
BB has Ac Qh (straight, five high).
Outcome: Button wins t1980. BB wins t1980. </font>

Sometimes paranoia pays off

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
MP (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t40</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t20, MP calls t20.

Flop: (t130) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t130</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t260</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t1460 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t1460 (All-In)</font>.

Turn: (t3180) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t3180) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3180

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP has 7c 4c (straight, eight high).
CO has 8s 8d (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: MP wins t3180. </font>

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

I only read the first two there, but those first two were played so bad i had to sit down before i hurt myself.

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I only read the first two there, but those first two were played so bad i had to sit down before i hurt myself.

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The title of this thread should be changed. OP is definitely not "playing 2+2 poker".

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I only read the first two there, but those first two were played so bad i had to sit down before i hurt myself.

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What should I have done?

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

bet more than the minimum on flop#1, bet more than 1/2 pot on turn #1. raise 2.5x-3x w/AQ, you dont really rep anything with the turn raise, but i guess it could be worse.


Edit: hand #3 is actually a pretty tough decision on the turn. And good lord i cant believe you folded a set in hand #4. Its pretty unlikely either of them flopped a straight, but even if they did you have 10 outs.

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The title of this thread should be changed. OP is definitely not "playing 2+2 poker".

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I agree. These examples are NOT 2+2 poker. Those would be the ones where I get bluffed out.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

Hand 1: why did you donk the flop? You're giving villain 6.5:1 to hit whatever he wants. Just make a standard cbet (~350) and hope he shoves over it.

Hand 2: For the love of God why are you minraising? Make it ~t300 PF. If you have a read on villain than your line on the turn is ok except for the fact that you raised way too much. You can get villain to fold here for a lot less of your stack.

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you dont really rep anything with the turn raise, but i guess it could be worse.

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AK?


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And good lord i cant believe you folded a set in hand #4. Its pretty unlikely either of them flopped a straight, but even if they did you have 10 outs.

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Bet, raise, re-raise all-in on the first hand.

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Bet, raise, re-raise all-in on the first hand.

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Regardless, it's still a fistpump instacall for the reasons stated above.

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And good lord i cant believe you folded a set in hand #4. Its pretty unlikely either of them flopped a straight, but even if they did you have 10 outs.

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Bet, raise, re-raise all-in on the first hand.

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Board: 8c 6s 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.567% 40.18% 00.39% 1914236 18452.00 { 6d6h }
Hand 1: 29.717% 23.79% 05.93% 1133441 282329.00 { 88-77, 55, 97s, 98s, 87s, 75s-74s, 43s, 97o, 98o, 87o, 75o-74o }
Hand 2: 29.717% 23.79% 05.93% 1133441 282329.00 { 88-77, 55, 97s, 98s, 87s, 75s-74s, 43s, 97o, 98o, 87o, 75o-74o }


Neither of these ranges include Ax flush draws. Or any flushdraws for that matter.

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Hand 2: For the love of God why are you minraising? Make it ~t300 PF.

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I can't find it - but I read a heads up article and it said to double the blind on the button because of position and bet 3x in the BB.

Sometimes I think people here forget what it was like to be learning. I've been playing poker with money for 2 months. Before that I played free poker (mostly in a bar league) for awhile and it might have warped my thinking about how to play the real game.
When I first started, I actually thought this was easier because people would actually fold.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

crystalallen,

It looks to me as though it is not as much you simply getting bluffed more, its that you haven't yet thoroughly taken in "2+2 poker" (for lack of a better term), and therefore arent able to identify your own leaks or the ease of calling in a lot of spots where people seem to be making a move on you.

Trust me, its a lot of fun when you finally develop the understanding for that stuff, because then you don't just catch bluffs, you snap them off and beat him into the pot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I recommend continuing to study and post and plug leaks and work on hand reading skills. I have a feeling you'll be catching more bluffs soon. Best of luck.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

All I'll add is that I've found that the weaker the player the more likely he/she suspects a bluff. Don't worry about it too much and move on to the next hand.

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where people seem to be making a move on you.

...Best of luck.

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Thank you. I don't what's worse, when they show, or when I have the feeling it happened and I sit there brooding about it.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

please everyone never fold 99 to a reraise from me again. yes plz.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

You get to a point in STTs where (because everyone is generally horrible) you play your strong hands strong with bets to get all in and you fold when you miss or the board crushes your hand. If your opponent is betting with or without a hand when you have nothing or a weak holding (compared to the board) it doesn't make a difference.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the t
 

wtf is 2+2 poker?

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wtf is 2+2 poker?

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Optimal strategy.

Re: I\'ve been playing 2+2 poker and I end up getting bluffed all the time.
 

I would say read phil gordon's books (green and blue) - as this will give you a good understanding of basic strategy post flop and will show you how you should have a method of thinking about the game. They are very easy to read and have allot of sound advice (as you play more you may come to disagree with some of what he says). I think these were the two books that helped me most when I first started playing.

PS This will probably be my last post on the STT forum, I have reached my target and I'm moving over to cash. Thanks to all the people who responded to my posted hands and sorry to those I offered advice to.

If anyone asks where that posters gone who's been dishing out dodgy advice for the last few months, you can tell them I'm gone. GL everyone.

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wtf is 2+2 poker?

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Optimal strategy.

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Super-tight. Risk averse.
Yeah...optimal strategy. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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. Thanks to all the people who responded to my posted hands and sorry to those I offered advice to.


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lol. Thanks and congrats.