fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

$0.50/$1.00

BB ($20.37) 30.8/15.4/1.57 - 52 hands
UTG+1 ($49.25) (Hero)


Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, BB

calls,

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 6.25BB )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero

calls,

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( 10.75BB )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>,

Final Pot: 13.0BB

Do you play it the same?

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

I don't like to fold overpairs, especially to very aggressive villains. When he caps the flop and checks the turn, you've got to decide whether you are willing to show this down for 3 BB or 1 BB. For 1 BB, check behind and call a river bet, for 3 BB bet-call, call.

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

I'd rather check behind the turn and call a bet on the river. After the flop cap, BB's turn check suggests he's getting really fancy.

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

I think I would check/call the turn and check/call the river. I figured villain had AA, so I'd get to see the showdown cheaply. Would this be an acceptable play?

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

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I think I would check/call the turn and check/call the river. I figured villain had AA, so I'd get to see the showdown cheaply. Would this be an acceptable play?

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We would have to be out of position for that.... so no.

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

My bad, I am new...

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

Villain check raises you flop and turn? Suspicious….

Have you seen him do this with less then a set? I’ve seen hyper agg players who bet more the weaker they are.

Given you bet the turn call him down and get a read, and remember AQ is well within his range here.

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

If Im betting the turn I dont think Im calling the c-r without a mainiacal read.

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

After thinking I like check turn call river bet line.
I risk to much at turn bet/fold.
If I will check behind I he will have up to 5 outs redraw so its 10% equity. I give him free card which will cost me max 10% of the post so its at turn 0.6 BB.
But I will also induce bluff about 50% times possilble so overall I pay about 0.1BB to dont fold my best hand when Im ahead and villan will make BIG bluff.

Is my math correct?

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

b/c turn

and call river

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

ppl checking behind turn are soooooooooooooooooooooooo results oriented

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ppl checking behind turn are soooooooooooooooooooooooo results oriented

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eskimo,

it's hard not to be in this situation. still, surely you must admit that bb's cap flop/check turn line is weird.

op,

this would have been a lot more interesting if you had stopped the action at your first turn decision. too late now, but think about it for next time.

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

oh wait i missed preflop i thought he just called...

yeah i dont even 3bet the flop here, you are ahead of nothing. in fact checking back the flop and calling down would be fine imo.

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

Are you still calling down as played?

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

nah i fold the turn as played, but i think the flop is very overplayed where we beat almost nothing (maybe AQs?).

yeah again i completely misread the op.... sry

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

If BB capped the flop, then I check behind on the turn, unless you are absolutely certain that he has K10.
Check turn, call river bet, bet river if checked to you.

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

At PF I put BB range at AQo+,AQs+,99+ becoust he is aggressive.

I stoved flop vesrsus him (after action at flop I assume he could have JJ+, AQs, AQo).

Board: 7s Qd Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.549% 52.55% 02.00% 13006 495.00 { JJ+, AQs, AQo }
Hand 1: 45.451% 43.45% 02.00% 10754 495.00 { KcKh }

If I will assume that MP3 has 4-5 outs redraw against me with hand like AK, Qx, Jx then when I will rase than I can make him fold hand that could draw profitably so 5 outs are like 10% equity until turn.
So I have 45.5% equity vs BB and I can kick out MP3 which has 10-15 equity so its worth to try to kick him right?

EDIT: I put my equity versus all villains

Board: 7s Qd Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.322% 46.35% 00.98% 112997 2379.50 { JJ+, AQs, AQo }
Hand 1: 35.364% 34.24% 01.12% 83479 2741.00 { KcKh }
Hand 2: 17.314% 16.95% 00.36% 41327 886.50 { AKs, QTs, JTs, AKo }

At flop I have 16:1 to call and If i decide raise instead of call then I will invest 17:1 so kick out MP3.
So I invest 1/18= 5% of pot to increace my equity about 10% so its ok to make 3bet at flop, right?

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

yea

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

So I think that 3 bet at flop is ok becouse he will have often enought AQo there and I will get more equoty then I invest.

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

:G:
Unless you have a strong read on this opponent I would call the turn and then call the river. Maybe this is spew, but it is what I would do.