My account closed, funds seized on PS
 

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post12975062

Can't believe any of this has happened, but here goes:


November of 2006, I was staked a good sum of money by a guy named naciremA. Thanks to the help of adam, I then found out that naciremA was a multi-accounter named streetz. He had used his roommates identity to open up a Pokerstars account. I uncovered all of this information on my own, presented it to Pokerstars, they dealt with it. I asked them if it would hurt me that I had received funds from streetz when I did not know it was him. They assured me, it wouldn't.

Fast forward to this morning.

Last night I woke up late and was busy packing some things up as I am moving soon. I set time to play the $11 6-Max MTT on Pokerstars. I was up all-night, didn't play anything after that.
This morning I woke up and transferred $8 to rmthawk64 that I owed him. I logged out of Pokerstars. When I tried logging back in, I got this message:


IMPORTANT: IF someone could self-exclude themselves for 24-hours and try logging in and providing proof that this error does not happen after a self-exclusion, this could at least clear me of trying to self-exclude myself and make up a story (although that wouldn't prove if the story was made up).

I e-mailed Stars asking why my account was closed and got this e-mail:


I then was contacted by Stephen, who claimed to be the Game Security Manager. We talked and he told me that they had just pieced together that I had received stolen funds more than a year ago. I explained to him that this had happened and I myself had alerted PokerStars what had happened. They said they have no record of these e-mails. NOTE: I may have posted these e-mails on Neverbeg, and will look into it and see if I can provide them myself. I remember when I caught HiroReborn, they lied to him and said they hadn't told me about his account when they did. They could be BSing here as well.

They said that they had to close my account and confiscate my funds. I told them that all of the money in my account was actually not mine and I was being backed to run a series of events for an extended period of time. I provided Stephen with some links of previous stakes which made proof of some rather large transfers on Pokerstars. He said this was enough information for him to not need to delve into my transfer history and people who I have transferred to in the past. But Stephen was firm on saying my account needed to be closed because of direct contact with the perpetrator. I explained to him that I could not AFFORD to have this money confiscated and he said that he was sorry but it was necessary.

Then, I sent an e-mail to Pokerstars again and got a response. This e-mail includes my original message and their response:



I don't really know what to do. I had Loonbat lock my FTOPS BAP so that no one tries transferring me on Stars.

I no doubt believe that a lot of people might not believe this story, and I completely understand. Any ideas you can come up with of ways for me to prove my innocence, I am all ears. You can check my FTP/PS accounts, I haven't played anything above my head. I am willing to request my last months worth of hands to prove I didn't donk off money at cash tables, etc etc. Whatever is necessary.

This whole ordeal makes me feel sick. I cannot afford 2.9k at this point in my life. I am going through a rough patch due to my student loan being revoked. In fact, Vedder loaned me some cash just so I could make it through the month, and now I owe this on top of my debt to him. I just can't believe how bad I have been getting it for the past month or so.

Mark

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From the sounds of it, you really need to find those emails you posted on Neverbeg. These emails will be dated and timed etc and should go a long way to proving, if it is true, what you say.

Also did you not keep any of the correspondance yourself for future reference?

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PokerstarsJeff? HostJacob?

I expect this thread to exemplify the reason why Stars is generally considered far and away superior to other sites in this regard.

OP, If you can post original emails + responses, it will surely help your cause.

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You were backed through neverbeg.. LOL

So all the scumbags over there lost their money?? Sorry I think it sucks you got locked out. But neverbeg is a joke, those people are such [censored]!

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neverbeg is a joke, those people are such [censored]


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Elaborate pls.. I have never heard of this group (am I under a rock?)

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neverbeg is a joke, those people are such [censored]


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Elaborate pls.. I have never heard of this group (am I under a rock?)

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They are an online backing site. Meaning their members will stake other members. Generally it is only for small amounts and the like. The problem is they are INCREDIBLY rude to newcomers. I joined their site a year back, I wanted to find out how it worked. So like anyone would I posted a question. I was immediately flamed. They called me names that I had not heard since grade school.

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did you mean to paste emails in your OP but forget, cuz it looks like stuff that you meant to include is missing

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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i actually belived op lol, nice try

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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BOOM! headshot.

FTP, you could learn a thing or two here!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Owned.

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10 bucks says this guy never posts on here again.

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So PS support, if his account isn't closed due to fraud related issues, what other reasons would his account be closed. The only thing I can think of is that he requested it to be closed then. Is this the case? Is he making a run with the money he was backed?

If his whole story is a lie then this seems to be the logical reason for his account to be closed.

Confirm or deny OP?

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So PS support, if his account isn't closed due to fraud related issues, what other reasons would his account be closed. The only thing I can think of is that he requested it to be closed then. Is this the case? Is he making a run with the money he was backed?

If his whole story is a lie then this seems to be the logical reason for his account to be closed.

Confirm or deny OP?

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Looks like he withdrew all funds and self excluded himself from playing. That is why he asked about self exclusion.

No point in asking the OP to answer questions, as no doubt after this response by stars he is long gone.

I bet the OP was not banking on stars support responding to this, lol.

It is sad really he screwed over neverbeg members for about 5 grand and fabricated an entire story to illicit empathy and well wishes.

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Like sand through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives.

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Like sand through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives.

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It's.. Like sand passing through an hour glass, these are the days of our lives.

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Sorry I was addressing all of the concerns over at Neverbeg, where the people are who's money is in question.


HostJacob, can you confirm that to your knowledge PokerStars has never lied about these kinds of things?

I once pulled the plug on a scammer who stole people's funds then claimed his account was closed. One of your guys inadvertently let it slip that they had let me know his account wasn't closed due to the reasoning that he told us. He then e-mailed you asking why you disclosed information about his account. You said you did no such thing (Support, not you particularly). What is the point of hiding information there?

I don't know why I continued to play there after all that happened since it seemed you were capable of lying.

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Sorry I was addressing all of the concerns over at Neverbeg, where the people are who's money is in question.


HostJacob, can you confirm that to your knowledge PokerStars has never lied about these kinds of things?

I once pulled the plug on a scammer who stole people's funds then claimed his account was closed. One of your guys inadvertently let it slip that they had let me know his account wasn't closed due to the reasoning that he told us. He then e-mailed you asking why you disclosed information about his account. You said you did no such thing (Support, not you particularly). What is the point of hiding information there?

I don't know why I continued to play there after all that happened since it seemed you were capable of lying.

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What does this have to do with anything?

I might be inclined to ask him to do an IP check on the person who asked for your account to be closed, and compare it with the ip that your emails are coming from.

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Sorry I was addressing all of the concerns over at Neverbeg, where the people are who's money is in question.


HostJacob, can you confirm that to your knowledge PokerStars has never lied about these kinds of things?

I once pulled the plug on a scammer who stole people's funds then claimed his account was closed. One of your guys inadvertently let it slip that they had let me know his account wasn't closed due to the reasoning that he told us. He then e-mailed you asking why you disclosed information about his account. You said you did no such thing (Support, not you particularly). What is the point of hiding information there?

I don't know why I continued to play there after all that happened since it seemed you were capable of lying.

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Ya your right...PS has this rep as super secure and on the up and up but they can be kinda sneaky about stuff.

I'd recommend finding another site to play on that isn't so shady. Personally speaking, I recommend Absolute Poker.

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Sorry I was addressing all of the concerns over at Neverbeg, where the people are who's money is in question.


HostJacob, can you confirm that to your knowledge PokerStars has never lied about these kinds of things?

I once pulled the plug on a scammer who stole people's funds then claimed his account was closed. One of your guys inadvertently let it slip that they had let me know his account wasn't closed due to the reasoning that he told us. He then e-mailed you asking why you disclosed information about his account. You said you did no such thing (Support, not you particularly). What is the point of hiding information there?

I don't know why I continued to play there after all that happened since it seemed you were capable of lying.

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Ya your right...PS has this rep as super secure and on the up and up but they can be kinda sneaky about stuff.

I'd recommend finding another site to play on that isn't so shady. Personally speaking, I recommend Absolute Poker.

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LOL nice one.

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Ok I'm confused. The OP's account is closed and PS confirm this. PS also say it is nothing to do with transfers or fraud. So if he has done no wrong why can't he have his money?

OP you havn't articulated very well what has happened here and don't make wild claims that you cannot back up. Either post some proof or stay quiet.

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Ok I'm confused. The OP's account is closed and PS confirm this. PS also say it is nothing to do with transfers or fraud. So if he has done no wrong why can't he have his money?

OP you havn't articulated very well what has happened here and don't make wild claims that you cannot back up. Either post some proof or stay quiet.

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PS just said the account is closed..they didn't see we closed his account and seized his funds.

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pretty obv that this is a coverup to scam his "friends" out of their money. nice little story; ps won't say anything except confirm that the account is closed. my guess is he withdrew, then had the close it, then posted on forums as a coverup, knowing that no details would come out. he just didnt realize hostjacob would own him so thoroughly.

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PS just said the account is closed..they didn't see we closed his account and seized his funds.

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This is the bit I don't understand. Can he get his money or not? If so, whats his problem, just arrange withdrawal and play elsewhere. He states he can't get his money.

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Rek, my understanding of what people are saying is that he DID get his money, he just made up this story about it getting taken away so that he wouldn't have to repay his backers and could keep the loot for himself.

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I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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So no funds were seized? Really, that's the only part of OP's story I found interesting. If the answer is "no funds were seized" then ban OP from twoplustwo. If funds were seized then what's going on?

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Hopefully this summary of most likely events will help....

1) Gets 4K or so sent to him on PS and FTP for backing
2) Comes onto Neverbeg with story about how PS has closed his account and seized all the backed funds because of an incident that occured ONE YEAR ago involving a transfer of funds--including emails and conversations with PS Security
3) PS says he is full of crap (and emails and conversations with PS are fabricated)
4) OP stole Funds

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http://forum.neverbeg.com/showthread.php?t=197750

this is a pretty big dramabomb over on neverbeg. it is pretty boring to read because there are not many lurid details (yet). it appears that mark ortega had his student loan denied, and is moving, so he needed money badly. he got a 3k stake and a 1k loan from a "friend" and then withdrew the money and concocted this story.

ortega has 12k+ posts on neverbeg since joining in '06, and is apparently a high profile poster there, who has often called himself the most trustworthy neverbeg user, and was highly critical of other people who "rolled" their backers. for some weird reason he didn't expect his flimsy story to be refuted so easily and thoroughly by pokerstars. after hostjacob posted the rebuttal on neverbeg, ortega has disappeared from the forum. however some of his backers have implied they have enough of his personal info to be able to contact him.

back in the day 2+2 used to have some good busto stories/scandals, but now that everyone here is so baller and internet savvy, we are starved for such tales. luckily there are sites like neverbeg where the half-ass grinders and true degens of this community are able to share their experiences.

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Rek, my understanding of what people are saying is that he DID get his money, he just made up this story about it getting taken away so that he wouldn't have to repay his backers and could keep the loot for himself.

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You may be right but PS came on here to clarify lies. He is saying his money has been seized. PS didn't deny this part of it. If it was a lie then they could have cleared that up as well.

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This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Unless this was meant to imply no money was seized. Can HostJacob just confirm he has no money seized?

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This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Unless this was meant to imply no money was seized. Can HostJacob just confirm he has no money seized?

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Yeah, really. All HostJacob had to say was, no money was seized. I don't care if the account was closed. If no money was seized then there's no ambiguity.

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This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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How hard was it to read this sentence guys. Seriously.

Edited to add: the guy clearly rolled his backers, thought he could get away with a lie in doing it and got completely and utterly owned by Stars support.
1) the guy's account is closed. that much of his story is true.
2) Stars is saying the other elements of the story are false.

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This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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How hard was it to read this sentence guys. Seriously.

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Too be honest, I'd rather be safe than sorry when it comes to poker site account seizure stories. Of course I already knew it could have meant that the account was only closed, but their was a slight possibility that HostJacob meant the account was closed and funds taken.

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ape, PS set out a few things in the post, it wasn't just that one sentence. Why not just say as well "no funds were seized". Easy and no more debate.

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Too be honest, I'd rather be safe than sorry when it comes to poker site account seizure stories.

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Lets be honest, finding out that this particular guy's funds had been seized would hardly be cause for concern.

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Too be honest, I'd rather be safe than sorry when it comes to poker site account seizure stories.

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Lets be honest, finding out that this particular guy's funds had been seized would hardly be cause for concern.

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I just don't want ANY poker site to ever profit or derive income from account seizures. It should only be from rake.

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I didn't mean to sound snippy in tone- its late at night etc.

But I think there is a very straightforward reading of that very specific and inclusive sentence.
Not much at all makes sense about OP's story to be honest.
I've dealt with scammers before and the first thing they do is seek to hand out a story that makes some sense- especially if you dont ask questions about it.
In this instance OP is relying on his own statements to stars as the basis for his story.
It's genius really.
He is taking a "good act" of his and turning it into something that is being used against him what... a year later?
"Hey these guys didn't do anything about this when I told them but now WOW LOOK THEY STOLE MY MONEY."

Except Stars comes here and says specifically "the account is closed, everything else he has said is complete [censored] imo".

The classic scam is a story that makes just enough sense you want to believe it despite the opposing side being much more straightforward and believable.
Look at what OP asks Stars support after they own him.
"now tell me you've never ever lied to anyone" essentially.

It's classic scame mode.
Lie until you get caught... then call the other side the liar.

Stars isn't going to come here and post specifics about his account. Especially if they've done nothing.
Not nothing wrong, NOTHING AT ALL.

They have a guy saying "Stars did this to me" and Stars responds with "no we didn't, liar."

What more do you want?

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You're probably right.

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Meh, on second thought I don't like this point very much.
So I'll edit it to say I wouldn't be shocked if OP withdrew his funds and closed his own account.