i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

i could give stats on all villains (assume all 3 are at least slightly competent) but i'm looking for more general case here.. how often are you betting this flop, how often are you checking? if you bet with this, do you ever bet with 88 here? i bet here too often i think and i have not gotten desired results.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $264.05
BB: $213.05
Hero (UTG): $437.55
MP: $285.90
CO: $54.85
BTN: $271.15

Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, MP calls $7, CO folds, BTN calls $7, SB calls $6, BB folds

Flop: ($30) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $18</font>, 3 folds

Results: $30 Pot ($1.50 Rake)
Hero mucked 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and WON $28.50 (+$21.50 NET)

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

i would check only because there are 3 ppl left to act, good chance someone will donk bet

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

betting here is quite fine. checking once ina blue would be ok i suppose but i like to bet. somebody is going to have an 8 sometimes, an overpair (including a slowplayed QQ-AA sometimes but rarely) overs that they will call with cuz they suck etc....


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Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

really depends on your image and the other guys in the pot

betting with 33 is probably fine with no real reads because you dont really have a lock. Id check 88 here.

EDIT: i like betting more after seeing these guys are competent. I think their ranges are weighted towards PPs and SC's. Just lead and hope someone has 87s or A8s or decides to peel with 99.

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeck

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

fine, i'd bet 88 here too.

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

Betting is okay, but I'm leaning towards a check. If someone has an 8 you're gonna stack them anyway, and you're also going to have a hard time getting multiple streets of value from a low pocket pair because betting a 4-way flop like this looks very strong. Checking lets people hit an overcard or maybe pick up a draw, letting you get value from hands that are probably going to fold to a flop bet.

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

definitely bet. there are so many people in the pot, someone will usually tag along.

there was something interesting CTS said in one of the CR vids.

he said that if you notice villains folding alot in spots, start bluffing, and when you notice them looking you up, start valuebetting.

so if you think people are folding this flop too much, then you should bet 45s or AKo or anything here as a bluff

all about balance

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

I like betting here. 88 I would check. With four more people, it is not unlikely that someone has a hand like 66. It sucks so much to get full vs full, or have someone's trips fill out.

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

if there ever was a time i'd slow play this would be it, as the board is so dry.

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

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EDIT: i like betting more after seeing these guys are competent. I think their ranges are weighted towards PPs and SC's. Just lead and hope someone has 87s or A8s or decides to peel with 99.

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i'm just not sure i get more value out of 99 by betting then i do checking against most villains and i am probably going to get the money in anyways if anyone has an 8. I like what Sh said though about mixing it up in these spots, i bet too often when i have it here and not enough when i don't so i need to get those two things more in sync.

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

i'd bet. since there's 3 other people in the pot, i just can't bring myself to assume that they're all at least slightly competent. what are the odds of that?

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

Check isnt awful. Effective stack sizes dont have you deep enough that you need to bet flop get a good chunk of $ on turn/riv. Any 8 is going to be felting anyway, might as well let 2 people behind you stab. Also you look wicked strong by betting w/ 2 people left to act.

It's really a flow/image thing so saying always bet is def wrong.

Re: i am setting money on fire by betting this flop huh?
 

not a bad bet at all. never wrong to fast play your hands, lets say a 4,5,6,7 hit on the turn or river and he had one of those pocket pairs. then you just dug yourself into a nice lil hole. nah mean?

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fine, i'd bet 88 here too.

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i agree with the bet......but to bet or not to bet really depends on your table image at the time, and the villains in the hand with you