$100 HU SNG - Flopped Qhi Flush - Can i get away from AI on turn?
 

I recently cashed out my whole roll off FTP (10k) due to bills and just me having a gambling problem lol. I got the itch again tho and deposited $500 yesterday. Realized i dont play as well in lower stakes when it doesn't mean as much, so i took a shot on $100 HU sng.

No hand histories becuz it's on another computer, but i remember the action.

Villain is super super nitty, we have played small pots and are about even, he seems to be playing his cards mostly.

Hero: 1470 chips
Villain: 1530 chips

I am dealt Qd4d on button, i limp for 60 and BB checks his option.
FLOP: 9d 10d Jd
BB checks
I bet 60, BB calls
TURN: 7h
BB bets 160
I raise to 500
BB tanks and re-raises all in for 910 more.

OK, i have seen him limp ace-rag twice and he is one of the nittiest players i have faced at this level of SNG, but he is winner over 6,000 SNGs so i give him some respect. I figure the only thing he can be representing here is smaller or higher flopped flush and also set of 9s. 9's is the biggest pair he will limp, other than that he would have raised PF. Another possibility would be Ad9x, Ad10x, AdJx (i find these unlikely he would check PF). So realistically i have him pegged to set of 9's or better or worse flush. I realllly think he would only make this move with a better flush than me, but even if he flips up A high flush, I still have outs with open ended straight flush?

Can i get away from this hand?
this is huge win or loss for my bank roll.

Re: $100 HU SNG - Flopped Qhi Flush - Can i get away from AI on turn?
 

Call for sure .

There is so much dead money in the pot that you would have to have the sickest read to fold this hand .

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That's the problem with playing on 5 buyin rolls... your decision making ability is clouded.

I call here all day.

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here's an add on to the topic... if you were to be able to see villains hand face up and he flipped up Adxd (not the 8 or K of diamonds tho, straight flush draw outs) Would you still call? Are 2 outs in the deck enough to justify a call with the amount of money in the pot? You'd hafta fold in that spot right?

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Don't even think about folding this. And no, you cannot call with your 2 outer because you have sth like 4-5% equity. Stove it and you'll see.

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You have to call man. If he has you beat, thats unlucky. If your thinking of folding this, quit poker man. Try to play with a better bankroll so you are not too nervous.

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i agree with everything, hellmuth wouldn't fold that hand.

if i had 2d3d would this change anything? are u saying that if i flop a flush there just is not getting away from this at all? in live poker, I have definitely folded small flushes in these spots b4, not heads up, but just spots that dont make sense to fold and villain flashes higher flush.

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It's such an insta-call.. you want to get your money in here. The guy probably has the straight or something but if your posting it cuz he flopped a bigger flush don't be results oriented. You felt there everytime for 75 bbs.

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Q high is not a "small flush" though. There are only two flushes that beat you, and you have one end of the possible straight flush.

And frankly, if you're folding small flushes often in spots where you're not multiple buyins deep, you're probably folding bad anyway, unless you're 100% positive that the person actually has a higher flush.

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i have never folded a smaller flush online. ever. I have only done it a few times with a live read, where the guy almost jumped out of his seat when 3rd suited card hit. Thanks for all the input.

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Your mixing your games up, there is a HUGE difference between HU play and full table play. Live / Online in a full table, I have folded very strong hands just because I didn't feel I was getting enough money on my action.

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I also can bet my life on it he has Ad8x. He has the straight plus the nut flush draw on the side, that is the only thing that makes sense of his bet, maybe he might have flopped a set, but I doubt he'd have waited until the turn to pop you, he has a straight plus a flush draw.

Is this an actual hand or did you just make it up? If so, please tell us what he had.

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I'll bet you 20-1 for 10 bucks he didn't have Ad8x Mx. You seem so sure [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Is this guy going to reveal the actual hand? I also bet he already PM'd you with the result. LOL

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First off, the whole hand, was just being played weird, like when you can sense that the both of you have a monster, and all the money is going in no matter what. I don't really know why I felt it, I think it may have just been another one of those "god, full tilt is trying to ruin me, i can feel it" but that's not justifiable in any way.

I of course, thought for about 2 seconds and called. He flipped up Ad8h for a straight and a re-draw to the nut flush. I yelled "NO DIAMOND" and bam Kd hits the river for a King high straight flush.

I posted because I just thought it was an interesting hand and I was surprised that it was not a set or flush i was up against. It's not often you get into a limped pot and your opponents range is A8> or 99>. You would think there would be some kind of raise PF to put an opponent on this kind of range dont you think?

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damn sonnnnnnnn, MxGucci don't u wish u took that bet, or that i posted a little bit slower so you could take that bet.

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Looks like I should have taken your bet Ryan? Ad8x only is the hand someone plays there.

I am sorry to hear the unlucky river, but you didnt play the hand wrong. Dont ever think of folding in that position. You were just unlucky, and don't think your opponent is an idiot, because he did have a very strong hand.

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I think you put way too much into villain having a monster hand.

I find that when I flop a flush and initiate betting on the flop (which is very often) that a bricked turn and continued aggression on my part is met with way too little respect.

Put it this way, I almost never think about "trapping" or "slowplaying" this type of hand because of the action I get with wide ranges of hands on this turn.

You have to get it in.

Another thing, you mention a pair of 9s is the best hand he'll limp, but you limped in this hand, he checked his BB.

I've faced a lot of players that would limp 99 but raise a limp with 99. There's a big difference.

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Ad8x only is the hand someone plays there.



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Absolutely false.

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no i had Qd4d, so i actually improved my already winning hand to a straight flush. At first i was like F#%^! he just hit that diamond to make nut flush and then i was like o yea, i wanted a Kd or 8d lol. I just thought he was going to flip up Adxd to beat me.

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Ad8x only is the hand someone plays there.



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Absolutely false.

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I do agree with chicagory tho, there are other hands that play that way. especially in HU poker, I think that MOST aggressive online players would jam with any set, 67, qk, Ad10x or obv Kdxd and Adxd. So his range is actually way bigger than Ad8x. However he was super super super nitty and i think we can eliminate Ad10x and I can't see him just jamming with a set unless it's 10's. He played too cautiously b4 that, such as checking down dummy straight on 4 straight board after i checked all 3 streets to him, He did not like putting in money without a very good hand.

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