S[]D Squeee Call
 

21 left in the 100r, already ITM, Zugwat is the opener, DJK is the reraiser. Standard!


Poker Stars, $100 + $9 NL Hold'em Tournament, 1,500/3,000 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: 119,373
BTN: 226,223
SB: 81,016
Hero (BB): 26,252
UTG: 52,179
UTG+1: 39,256
MP: 107,000

Pre-Flop: (6,600) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to 8,125</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to 21,000</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to 25,952 and is All-In</font>

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Don't really like this.

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DJK is the reraiser

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Don't really like this.

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haha. This is kinda sexy, because both are very aggro. But id still prolly fold.

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when i first saw youre shove i was like wtf is bakes doing, but on more consideratino if you wanna gamble with QJ against djks potentially wide 3 betting range it might be ok as QJ being the best hand is not out of the realm of possibility

i guess it prolly comes down to the math stuff that i dont really know

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Give how much dead money there are out there to win - this aint a bad play.

However this part is strange:

Hero (BB): 26,252
Hero raises to 25,952 and is All-In

It does not compute

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Give how much dead money there are out there to win - this aint a bad play.

However this part is strange:

Hero (BB): 26,252
Hero raises to 25,952 and is All-In

It does not compute

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I hear they have antes on some sites!

This looks pretty good to me actually, someone with better time do some math and stuff.

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I'm way too lazy to do more maths as I've been doing some intense [censored] all night and haven't even gone to bed (9am now) but if their ranges are wide enough this is certainly fine

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not really sure what my range is but given stack sizes and stage of tourney it's probably pretty wide

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Since your shove is not enough to be a raise, Zugwat can now call with any decent hand, maybe even a crappy hand, since he's getting more than 3:1, and then you're all-in with QJo against 2 players.

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Since your shove is not enough to be a raise, Zugwat can now call with any decent hand, maybe even a crappy hand, since he's getting more than 3:1, and then you're all-in with QJo against 2 players.

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Assuming Zugwat is calling with "any decent hand" is a horrible assumption IMO, unless your definition of "any decent hand" is quite a bit different from mine.

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Since your shove is not enough to be a raise, Zugwat can now call with any decent hand, maybe even a crappy hand, since he's getting more than 3:1, and then you're all-in with QJo against 2 players.

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Assuming Zugwat is calling with "any decent hand" is a horrible assumption IMO, unless your definition of "any decent hand" is quite a bit different from mine.

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If you give Bakes {88+, AQ+} and djk top 25%, he's getting pot odds, 3.5:1 (not including the antes), to call with a random hand. Plus you have an all in and no side pot, so djk's probably not going crazy with absolute air on the flop. What should he be folding here?

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Does he really want to be playing OOP vs. DJK in a bloated pot where he basically only has a PSB left?

I don't think he's calling here much, maybe shove, in which case Bakes should be HU vs. him instead of DJK playing for a bigger pot (albeit vs. a much tighter range)

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Does he really want to be playing OOP vs. DJK in a bloated pot where he basically only has a PSB left?

I don't think he's calling here much, maybe shove, in which case Bakes should be HU vs. him instead of DJK playing for a bigger pot (albeit vs. a much tighter range)

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Position is irrelevant -- the best hand is going to win the pot, since the presence of Bakes being all in basically prevents djk from pushing him out of the pot. I agree that he'll shove a lot of hands here pre, but I personally wouldn't fold too many if any.

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DJK is the reraiser

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way ahead of his range, but z is probably calling

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Position is irrelevant -- the best hand is going to win the pot, since the presence of Bakes being all in basically prevents djk from pushing him out of the pot.

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this cant be right unless Zug is calling post flop with the entire range that he calls with preflop. DJK is going to bet some flops he misses/picks up draws on to clean up some outs.

ETA: i don't think he is just calling pre often though.

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im reshoving if anything and never just calling except maybe with AA just to give DJK a chance to do something wack

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i prefer doing this with Ax. BUT ITS DJK!!! As one who is not nearly as aggro, I will resteal CO from btn enough that I think this profitable v him. I dont know the other guy. Also, DJK might "think" you have a big hand. And then call you anyways.

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im reshoving if anything and never just calling except maybe with AA just to give DJK a chance to do something wack

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Thank you

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FWIW I make loose calls like this a lot vs. players I know will be 3-betting light here.

How loose are most of you guys willing to go here? I think you pass up a ton of value...

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definite fold

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I like this call and zugwat proved why you get HU here like 95% of the time. Which makes it massively +EV.

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I like this call and zugwat proved why you get HU here like 95% of the time. Which makes it massively +EV.

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nah man, this almost certainly was a bad call. I dont even think it's breakeven CEV, nevermind cash ev.We need like 38% equity just to breakeven w/ chip equity vs DJK if we get HU every time. Zugwat ever calling behind is not beneficial.. and we're deep in the 100r and calling allin, cEV != EV. So, without checking by doing the math - i'd pretty sure we need a stronger hand here, even vs spazzy DJK.

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I tend to like Exit's analysis on these type of hands and I have to say I agree on this one too.

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This seems really bad. You are overestimating CO's opening range into good players behind him, and you're probably overestimating btn's 3-betting range here as well.

In CO's spot with DJK on the button and you in the big blind I would be open folding stuff like KT and A9, maybe even as high as KJ and 66 etc.

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This seems really bad. You are overestimating CO's opening range into good players behind him, and you're probably overestimating btn's 3-betting range here as well.

In CO's spot with DJK on the button and you in the big blind I would be open folding stuff like KT and A9, maybe even as high as KJ and 66 etc.

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meh about folding 66. you could prob play for stacks for value with 66 vs me here

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i love how he is commenting about how loose he is here and that this against himself he would be shoving these hands. i LOL. damn im drunk early... WOOHOO THANkSGIVING BREAK!!!