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PJo336 11-14-2007 11:17 PM

25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
he hasnt raised a hand preflop in about 150 hands, and he limps more than 50% of the time. He could have anything imo, is this an easy fold?

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($34.90)
Hero ($36.31)
BB ($8.95)
UTG ($8.25)
MP ($21.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50.

Flop: ($5.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $6.5 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $33</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero folds?</font>

doppelganger 11-14-2007 11:22 PM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
Sad, but I think it's a fold. You holding the Ad takes a lot of draws out of their ranges imo.

PJo336 11-14-2007 11:26 PM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
sighh, i hate folding AA

mg0698 11-14-2007 11:26 PM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
yea i think it's a fold u don't have a lot of money in it take your losses

LegendLength 11-15-2007 01:30 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
These types of players *never* bluff. That is, the types who limp 1 BB with anything ranging from AA to 64o.

Xanta 11-15-2007 01:47 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
Fooooooooooooooold

bsball8806 11-15-2007 01:55 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
Easy, sucky fold. I agree with dopple that having the Ad means they can't have like pair/nfd.

hobbes1 11-15-2007 02:27 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
sucks for AA but fold

AHMWM 11-15-2007 02:33 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
when I take time and look at the hand it is an easy fold just like everyone says. At the table I would probably snap-shove and regret it. The board is very dangerous having AA. No need to risk your $30 left in ur stack when you only have $5 in. Let it go.

Goodnews 11-15-2007 02:49 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
Grunch

I would check the flop to control the pot size. I could easily fold AA on the turn if it made a 4 straight.
-If we check, and UTG pushes and Button comes over the top then its an easy fold.
-If we check, and UTG checks, Button can't possible make a huge AI bet here profitable (mainly getting called by an OESD+FD or a straight/set). If button bets on the flop anything more than $3.25, I would call, and be sure that it will be closing the betting (UTG can reraise AI, but Button can't reraise UTG). I would then evaluate the turn. If Button bets less than $3.25, then we are likely good and can call the AI (unless Button is a wily player, in which case it will be probably be a fold).

As played I would fold it here, it just sucks so much to do so.

Edit: The body of the post didn't change, but didn't Button make an illegal reraise here?

Micro Donk 11-15-2007 02:50 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
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I would check the flop to control the pot size.


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this is pretty results oriented

pot control is more reserved for dry boards. at this point we must bet to protect our hand.

themandude 11-15-2007 02:54 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
ya checking here for pot control is very bad, giving someone a free card for many draws. CB it then fold.

Bavid Denyamine 11-15-2007 02:55 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
he can probably see your cards so i would fold

waldo027 11-15-2007 02:59 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
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he can probably see your cards so i would fold

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Goodnews 11-15-2007 02:59 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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I would check the flop to control the pot size.


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this is pretty results oriented

pot control is more reserved for dry boards. at this point we must bet to protect our hand.

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I don't like the strength of AA on this flop. So I am adhering to NLHE: T&amp;P saying bet strong hands strongly.

I am confused, if you had AA on a dry board, why would you try to control the size of the pot as opposed to building a big one for the likely best holding (unless proven otherwise via betting).

Betting to protect our hand in this spot doesn't really protect our hand because we open ourselves up to semi-bluffs that will work.

As for the result oriented remark, I agree that Button's actions probably skewed my decision.

hendal 11-15-2007 04:28 AM

Re: 25nl: Im a donk with AA, easy fold?
 
On a dry board ppl won't call so easily. Unless they make a big hand, most likely bigger then yours.

On a wet board ppl will chase more with incorrect odds. This is what you want to do.


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