argh spot against the good dr
 

DrGiggy in case you don't know him is very good and very loose, something like 31/25/4 or so. He 3bets a TON, and has been known to 5bet shove light, etc. We played a fairly big 3bet pot earlier where I opened from LP with K9dd, called his 3bet out of the blinds, and flopped TP and a flush draw. I called a large bet on flop and turn (we were deep), checked down river unimproved and he had A4ss, no pair no draw.

On to the hand... on the turn I don't really want to get crai this deep so I checked behind. And then on the river, what do people think of my bet/fold sizing? And does anyone like a call? Giggy is definitely crazy but also good, and my hand is pretty face up I think, so is he ever pulling a sick bluff here?

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

arrrrtard (MP): $1,723
Silhouette11 (CO): $641.50
a1992s (BTN): $59.50
DrGiggy (SB): $819.70
creo_williams (BB): $938.50
ezhustlerAA (UTG): $414.40

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to arrrrtard (MP)
ezhustlerAA folds, <font color="red">arrrrtard raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">DrGiggy raises to $51</font>, creo_williams folds, arrrrtard calls $37

Flop: ($106) Qhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif 5http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">DrGiggy bets $75</font>, arrrrtard calls $75

Turn: ($256) 6http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
DrGiggy checks, arrrrtard checks

River: ($256) Qhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
DrGiggy checks, <font color="red">arrrrtard bets $176</font>, <font color="red">DrGiggy raises to $693.70 and is All-In</font>, arrrrtard folds

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

rivers a fold. please bet turn.

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

Ugh--crappy spot.

Generally against the 30/20's I either go for pot control OR I make sure not to give them free cards. In this hand then if I was going for pot control, I'd just check the river. If I was ready to play a big pot I'd make a big bet on the turn.

I'd much prefer to bet the turn in this particular hand, though not sure what I would do if he raised.

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

It's a fold, cuz I don't think he gets that crazy that deep. I think you have to bet the turn as well, because he will not cr a draw that deep I would think.

I put him on AKdd.

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

So b/f turn seems to be the play? How big of a bet do you guys like? Like $215?

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

not sure of your dynamic with him. if me and him were in battling mode (not clear if you guys are tangling too much), i might raise flop, call push, as spewy as that may sound.

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

GOOD CHANCE YOU SHOULD HAVE PAID GIGGY OFF HERE.

He knows you cant have a huge hand AND he takes advantage of every opportunity such as this. I take the krantz approach and pay him on this first go around. Pay now and get the read. Giggy may be one of the few players at this level capable of this play (this deep) very often, but he certainly is one of them.

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

I'd call, he knows that you have KQ most of the time and that he will be able to push you off this hand, since you are very deep.

He may rocks really hard, but I think it was your pot this time...

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

meh, I'd probably call against someone like that. There are a squillion ways he can have air up to the river, and not that many great hands. For most players (and by most I guess I mean almost all) their frequency of bluff raising the river is small emough that they have it way too often to call, but villian sounds like the type where calling is prob +EV. Still a big call to make being fairly deep.

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

lol folding even top pair to giggy

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

He's creative enough to c/rAI the river as a bluff, surely? I virtually snapcall this. He surely follows up the turn with a flush draw which would presumably also have some sort of straight draw with it.

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

i like how you played it. i def wouldn't b/f the turn as i think Giggy is somewhat likely to chk/jam the turn w/ AKdd or some kind of combo draw. on the river he is definitely capable of making a play here but if he puts you on a Q i doubt he would just cause it's really high variance this deep and people don't like folding trips...the more frustrated you appear to be the less likely it could be a bluff as well.

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

Giggy himself said on another forum he had AcKh. He will not stop impressing me this dr.

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

Snapcall versus that idiot &lt;3

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

he plays tighter post flop than most people give him credit. But this hand is a snap call b/c I think he thinks you bet the turn with a queen so it looks like you are just going for some thin value with mid pair, so he probably c/r with a wide range here. I would bet with intention of snap calling

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

luckybacon = luckyjambon?

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

nah just moved from stars luckybacon=sbacon313. I play mostly 2/4

Re: argh spot against the good dr
 

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It's a fold, cuz I don't think he gets that crazy that deep. I think you have to bet the turn as well, because he will not cr a draw that deep I would think.

I put him on AKdd.

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He has AKdd and doesn't bet/shove turn like never here. I have a hard time giving him any flush on the river because I think he'd try and get you off your hand on the turn.

Mark