10/20 TPGK Turn line?
 

I'm new to the table...and rarely play 10/20 on stars..so doubt villian has any read on me, I have none on him.

What's the best turn line?

Poker Stars, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $380
BB: $1,094
UTG: $2,484
UTG+1: $1,992.50
Hero (MP): $1,970
CO: $1,615
BTN: $2,060

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $80</font>, CO calls $80, BTN calls $80, 2 folds

Flop: ($270) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $220</font>, CO calls $220, BTN folds

Turn: ($710) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ???????</font>

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this is a really easy b/f for me, am i missing something?

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Hey Rika,
Effective stacks are now $1300. So far with the board testure and action, we look like we are ahead. The problem is that if all the money goes in on the turn, that's likely not the case anymore.

AK/AQ likely reraise preflop. As does AA/QQ. So for hands ahead of us, that leaves A9s, A3s. For A3s it's tough for him to even call the flop when you opt to bet into the two villains, so that makes only A3cc the only likely A3s hand.

The obvious group of hands I have ignored are the FD and the JT OESD, which both likely call the flop.

And the drawing hands make up much more a range than hands that have us beat.

So the turn comes down to a question of finding the right balance between protecting your hand/finding value; and keeping the pot small with a mediocre hand.

If we bet a good size amount - 400-500 - it seems to put him in a tough spot if he has a draw, as we are threatening commitment.

However, if we check we give a draw a free shot on the river, however that can be balanced by the value we may find on the river by 1) inducing a bluff from a busted draw, or by value betting the river and getting value from a worse Ax hand.

I think I lean towards a turn bet a little more though because there are many more combos of draws than worse made hands. I like a $500 bet/fold to shove.

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As mentioned in chat, easy check/fold.

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Hey Rika,
Effective stacks are now $1300. So far with the board testure and action, we look like we are ahead. The problem is that if all the money goes in on the turn, that's likely not the case anymore.

AK/AQ likely reraise preflop. As does AA/QQ. So for hands ahead of us, that leaves A9s, A3s. For A3s it's tough for him to even call the flop when you opt to bet into the two villains, so that makes only A3cc the only likely A3s hand.

The obvious group of hands I have ignored are the FD and the JT OESD, which both likely call the flop.

And the drawing hands make up much more a range than hands that have us beat.

So the turn comes down to a question of finding the right balance between protecting your hand/finding value; and keeping the pot small with a mediocre hand.

If we bet a good size amount - 400-500 - it seems to put him in a tough spot if he has a draw, as we are threatening commitment.

However, if we check we give a draw a free shot on the river, however that can be balanced by the value we may find on the river by 1) inducing a bluff from a busted draw, or by value betting the river and getting value from a worse Ax hand.

I think I lean towards a turn bet a little more though because there are many more combos of draws than worse made hands. I like a $500 bet/fold to shove.

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equal i like your analysis a lot

i end up bet/calling a lot:
- villian raises 2pair/999 on flop a lot
- for me this means his range is heavily skewed to a fd and weaker A's on the turn
- shoving draws on the turn over a second barrel is becoming very common

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400 call a shove

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this is a really easy b/f for me, am i missing something?

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meh, i change my mind on this one, pretty much agree with 23act here.

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this is a really easy b/f for me, am i missing something?

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- villian raises 2pair/999 on flop a lot

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When the flop is multiway, fish often like to tarp some more people on the flop.

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When the flop is multiway, fish often like to tarp some more people on the flop.

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Where does OP given any indication villain is a fish? The only clue I see is an 80bb stack.

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i generally try to avoid folding at all costs. theres lots of draws blah blah, fire out 500ish get it in to a shove.

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c/r ai.

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390 call shove, I think a blockish bet is good here in terms of getting a Q to call another bet since this guy's short.

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bet/cal or c/r ai, depending on how likely he is to raise the turn with air/draws/worse aces or how likely he is to bet the turn if checked to (air, semibluffs, worse aces) and what ratio of these hands he's gonna call.
The more agressive and bluffy this guy is the more I like c/r

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I dont like the lead line on this flop with this hand. I much prefer check/call. Leading opens yourself up to get made plays on and then being forced to fold. As played, on the turn I check.

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I dont like the lead line on this flop with this hand. I much prefer check/call. Leading opens yourself up to get made plays on and then being forced to fold. As played, on the turn I check.

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do others agree with this?

My thought on the flop, TPGK...drawy board 3 way = bet...but maybe this thinking is too "medium stakes poker"?

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jesus christ betting this flop is so standard, i can't believe it's being questioned.

and yeah, c/r ai turn or bet/cal but definitely don't fold the nuts.

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jesus christ betting this flop is so standard, i can't believe it's being questioned.

and yeah, c/r ai turn or bet/cal but definitely don't fold the nuts.

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ok, thanks...you made me feel a ton better

I bet/called in the hand....he had AKo

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c/r ai.

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i definitely bet/call. why are you checkraising? don't you think they check back draws pretty often here?

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jesus christ betting this flop is so standard, i can't believe it's being questioned.

and yeah, c/r ai turn or bet/cal but definitely don't fold the nuts.

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ok, thanks...you made me feel a ton better

I bet/called in the hand....he had AKo

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well thats a rigged cooler. dont sweat it bet call 4tw.

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I bet call against most tough opponents
I bet fold against a standard fish [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]