NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

villain is cmitch and we have some history of getting stacks in the pot over the last 2 days.
he is aggressive and loose 20+/15+/2+ type stats. help me with flop play

FullTiltPoker Game #3969315884: Table Trails End (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:59:39 ET - 2007/10/26
Seat 1: PlzFoldxX ($456)
Seat 2: cmitch ($463)
Seat 3: doc355 ($322.90)
Seat 4: philuva ($612.70)
Seat 5: motiv4 ($828.65)
Seat 6: HERO ($768.65)
motiv4 posts the small blind of $2
HERO posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #4

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [9c 6c]
PlzFoldxX has 15 seconds left to act
PlzFoldxX folds
cmitch raises to $14
doc355 folds
philuva folds
motiv4 folds
HERO calls $10

*** FLOP *** [Ts 6d 9h]
HERO checks
cmitch bets $20
HERO raises to $72
cmitch has 15 seconds left to act
cmitch raises to $184
HERO ????


villain is strong tag with 18/14/2 stats. i call with the intention of trapping
played well or not ?

POKERSTARS GAME #12849310037: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/10/25 - 23:33:42 (ET)
Table 'Icarion II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: HERO ($580 in chips)
Seat 2: F.Savage ($406.80 in chips)
Seat 3: farlzz ($604 in chips)
Seat 4: pablostar ($439 in chips)
Seat 6: NE1_Call ($400 in chips)
farlzz: posts small blind $2
pablostar: posts big blind $4

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Kd Kh]
NE1_Call: folds
HERO: raises $12 to $16
F.Savage: raises $32 to $48
farlzz: folds
pablostar: folds
HERO: calls $32

*** FLOP *** [8s 2s 2c]
HERO: checks
F.Savage: bets $68
HERO: raises $176 to $244
F.Savage: calls $176

*** TURN *** [8s 2s 2c] [4h]
HERO: bets $288 and is all-in
F.Savage: calls $114.80 and is all-in

*** RIVER *** [8s 2s 2c 4h] [3h]


we are short handed and villain has been PFR an PF-RR quite a bit.
when he just calls m flop raise i get spooked and dont know how to proceed.

FullTiltPoker Game #3968054884: Table Vintners (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:47:38 ET - 2007/10/25
Seat 1: LeNewbian ($406)
Seat 3: Mano Nera ($189.65)
Seat 5: HERO ($751.40)
HERO posts the small blind of $2
LeNewbian posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Tc Ac]
Mano Nera folds
HERO raises to $14
LeNewbian raises to $42
HERO calls $28

*** FLOP *** [4d Ad Ks]
HERO checks
LeNewbian bets $50
HERO raises to $125 <-- bad spot to CR???
LeNewbian calls $75

*** TURN *** [4d Ad Ks] [7h]
HERO has 15 seconds left to act
HERO checks
LeNewbian bets $239, and is all in
HERO ???

villain loves to min-raise and min-re-raise. i havent seen him turn up with much except one hand where he called ai with half stack on a Q73 board with TT.

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

use a hand converter

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

er praios have you EVER used a hand converter?

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

And praios, thats where you say "touche!"

Hahaha! Don't tell people to use a hand converter when you have never used one.

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

sorry about the converter i will look into it next time.

what about the hands

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

Try looking into it this time. It doesn't take that long to convert the hands.

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

1. Get it in
2. Fine
3. Your C/r sucks

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

[ QUOTE ]
1. Get it in
2. Fine
3. Your C/r sucks

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i further respond:

1) get it in as played. generally fold pre because, with history, you won't have fe post flop to make this hand profitable imo

2) you flat call to trap. whats the question?

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
1. Get it in
2. Fine
3. Your C/r sucks

[/ QUOTE ]

i further respond:

1) get it in as played. generally fold pre because, with history, you won't have fe post flop to make this hand profitable imo

2) you flat call to trap. whats the question?

[/ QUOTE ]

and i'll further respond

3) if you find yourself making this c/r alot in these types of spots, then yes you do suck postflop. if you don't know how you will play the turn when called you shouldn't c/r the flop.

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

I fold preflop in hand 1, but get it in as played.

Hand 2 looks good

Hand 3 fold preflop, and whatever you do.....don't c/r the flop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

Try and think about WHY you c/r in hand 3, especially if you don't know what to do on the turn. Don't just c/r because woooooooo I have top pair. What does it accomplish vs his range? Since I guess you are doing it for value, what worse hands will he call with?

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

Isn't the point of the c/r in hand 3 to tell us where we're at? I.E. if I'm called I'm beat so I can c/f and c/c river if he checks it back, he's never betting a worse A on turn and should be taking a free card on any sort of draw.

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

[ QUOTE ]
1. Get it in JJ IMO
2. Fine
3. Your C/r sucks

[/ QUOTE ]

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

change the title of this thread to "I just suck preflop"...forget about postflop for now

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

Flop raise in 3 is obviously gash.

And suck less pf.

Re: NL 400 - Sticky situations or I just suck postflop
 

Hey OhioSt2k,

Hand 1, my read is slightly different on Villain, so I would shove happily and expect to be called by his whole range, which is JJ+ /2 pair/set most of the time, QJ once in a while maybe, never air, and obviously the overpair is most of the range. Overpairs are by far the most common hand he'll have here IMO. Also, I'd fold pre-flop vs. a Villain like you described.

Hand 2, I'm surprised you c/r'd flop. Normally, that will not work on this board vs. hands you want to stack. However, you say you were spooked when he called the raise? That makes even less sense, since a call by him is the same as a shove here, and you were presumably shoving for value and not trying to bluff out AA+ [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] There's no money left compared to the pot; no decision after you raise flop.

Hand 3, Villain is terrible if he plays like you described, but he obviously has you smoked here. Also, I think a shove is a lot better than a small raise, with the diamonds on board (but I agree with everyone that a c/r is bad).