2007 Silver Slugger awards
 

See article and list here

Is this award less controversial and less based on popularity than others, like the gold gloves? According to the article:

"Louisville Slugger Silver Slugger Award winners were chosen by Major League coaches and managers, who voted for the players they felt were the best offensive producers at each position in both the American and National Leagues in 2007. Selections are based on a combination of offensive statistics, including batting average, on-base percentage, and slugging percentage, as well as the coaches' and managers' general impressions of a player's overall offensive value. Managers and coaches were not allowed to vote for players on their own team."

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Here is the actual list:

AMERICAN LEAGUE AL
C Jorge Posada, NYY
1B Carlos Pena, TB
2B Placido Polanco, DET
3B Alex Rodriguez, NYY
SS Derek Jeter, NYY
OF Vladimir Guerrero, LAA
OF Ichiro Suzuki, SEA
OF Magglio Ordonez, DET
DH David Ortiz, BOS

NATIONAL LEAGUE NL
C Russell Martin, LAD
1B Prince Fielder, MIL
2B Chase Utley, PHI
3B David Wright, NYM
SS Jimmy Rollins, PHI
OF Carlos Beltran, NYM
OF Matt Holliday, COL
OF Carlos Lee, HOU
P Micah Owings, ARI

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WOOT Micah!

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Doesn't look too bad, except for Hanley got jobbed.

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Doesn't look too bad, except for Hanley got straight up mugged.

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Selections are based on a combination of offensive statistics, including batting average, on-base percentage, and slugging percentage, as well as the coaches' and managers' general impressions of a player's overall offensive value.

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Funny that these are the criteria because Hanley Ramirez led Rollins by at least THIRTY POINTS in EACH CATEGORY.

23 runs of VORP. What a joke.

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They also tend to be less controversial because they're not really as meaningful (symbolically) as the Gold Gloves, imho. Typically, the more weight a person places on something, the more controversy is possible.

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Doesn't look too bad, except for Hanley got jobbed.

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QFT, and I think I woulda given 3b to Braun because he had pretty much the same numbers even with 150 less ABs then Wright.

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and I think giving pitchers a Silver Slugger award is awesome. I would love to win one of those as a pitcher

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Doesn't look too bad, except for Hanley got jobbed.

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QFT, and I think I woulda given 3b to Braun because he had pretty much the same numbers even with 150 less ABs then Wright.

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Chipper Jones > Ryan Braun

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Doesn't look too bad, except for Hanley got jobbed.

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QFT, and I think I woulda given 3b to Braun because he had pretty much the same numbers even with 150 less ABs then Wright.

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Chipper Jones > Ryan Braun

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Chipper is killing Braun in OBP, i'll give him that.


But I'm a Ryan Braun homer cause I know his family. ROBBED!

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Is this award less controversial and less based on popularity than others, like the gold gloves?

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Yes. In addition to the "less important" reason already mentioned, offensive is more easily distilled into statistical representations of value that are commonly dispersed and accepted. For example, OPS, while far from perfect, is fairly accurate and widely accepted, especially when one tries to identify a comparable defensive statistic.

Defensive measures of value are far less developed than offensive stats and also far less dispersed. Even the more advanced defensive measures sometimes substantially disagree, ala andruw jones, carl crawford, etc. (mostly because of the surprising large differences between the PBP data supplied by Stats and BIS).

Basically, its a lot easier to know who is good offensively than it is to know who is good defensively because of commonly available measures of value. The more asymmetrical the distribution of high quality information about a topic, the greater the divergence of opinions about the subject.

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Pujols> Prince
Hanley > Rollins
Miggy > Braun
Sizemore, Granderson and Ichiro are all really close.
Bonds >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>> Lee

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Bonds >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>> Lee

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Not to mention Rowand and Dunn deserve it more than Lee as well.

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WTF where is Bonds and Adam Q. Dunnington?

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victor martinez>posada

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victor martinez>posada

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Um, no.

Posada: .338BA, 20 HRs, .426 OBP
V-Mart: .301BA, 25 HR, .374 OBP

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116 rbi vs 90

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116 rbi vs 90

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73.4 vs 55.0 VORP
.322 vs .291 EqA

Posada, and it's not even close.

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116 rbi vs 90

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apples vs. garbage dumps

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posada so 98 vs 76.

i dont see how you can it isnt close. vic had 5 more homers and drove in 24 more runs and struck out less.

posada may have hit better overall but vics hits were more important since they scored more runs and that matters.

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posada so 98 vs 76.

i dont see how you can it isnt close. vic had 5 more homers and drove in 24 more runs and struck out less.

posada may have hit better overall but vics hits were more important since they scored more runs and that matters.

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LOL, WTF? So Posada should be penalized because A-Rod kept clearing the bases in front of him?

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posada so 98 vs 76.

i dont see how you can it isnt close. vic had 5 more homers and drove in 24 more runs and struck out less.

posada may have hit better overall but vics hits were more important since they scored more runs and that matters.

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LOL, WTF? So Posada should be penalized because A-Rod kept clearing the bases in front of him?

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More importantly A-Rod always hits HR in meaningless games. So when Posada had RBI opportunities they were always in the bottom of the 9th or in tie games making all of his RBIs so valuable.

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posada so 98 vs 76.

i dont see how you can it isnt close. vic had 5 more homers and drove in 24 more runs and struck out less.

posada may have hit better overall but vics hits were more important since they scored more runs and that matters.

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LOL, WTF? So Posada should be penalized because A-Rod kept clearing the bases in front of him?

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More importantly A-Rod always hits HR in meaningless games. So when Posada had RBI opportunities they were always in the bottom of the 9th or in tie games making all of his RBIs so valuable.

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Don't forget that Posada just knows what it takes to win. That alone should give him the award.

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another trophy to add to the fireplace mantel of NL MVP, Matt Holliday

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posada so 98 vs 76.

i dont see how you can it isnt close. vic had 5 more homers and drove in 24 more runs and struck out less.

posada may have hit better overall but vics hits were more important since they scored more runs and that matters.

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wait...seriously?

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oh sorry i forgot no such thing as clutch hit

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oh sorry i forgot no such thing as clutch hit

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Your sports posts make 2p2 look like P5s. Please stop.

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Doesn't look too bad, except for Hanley got jobbed.

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QFT, and I think I woulda given 3b to Braun because he had pretty much the same numbers even with 150 less ABs then Wright.

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David Wright > Chipper Jones > Ryan Braun

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Seriously though, I think Wright was the correct choice, but Jones did have a sweet year and would have been a reasonable pick as well. [/Mets homer]

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Doesn't apply, DUCY?

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oh sorry i forgot no such thing as clutch hit

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How the hell do you have over 11K posts and not know a thing about baseball? I had the same delusional thoughts you did until I came across this site.

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oh sorry i forgot no such thing as clutch hit

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Your sports posts make 2p2 look like P5s. Please stop.

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well your strat posts do.

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oh sorry i forgot no such thing as clutch hit

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How the hell do you have over 11K posts and not know a thing about baseball? I had the same delusional thoughts you did until I came across this site.

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most of my posts came before 2p2 was changed into a baseball forum.

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Doesn't look too bad, except for Hanley got jobbed.

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QFT, and I think I woulda given 3b to Braun because he had pretty much the same numbers even with 150 less ABs then Wright.

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David Wright > Chipper Jones > Ryan Braun

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Seriously though, I think Wright was the correct choice, but Jones did have a sweet year and would have been a reasonable pick as well. [/Mets homer]

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Completely agree (minus mets homer).

For those saying Braun, extrapolate his stats to a full season and you basically get Miggy Cabrera. That's a fantastic season, but Wright and Jones still had better.

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oh sorry i forgot no such thing as clutch hit

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Your sports posts make 2p2 look like P5s. Please stop.

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well your strat posts do.

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LOLOLOL. Yeah, there's no way my strat posts are worse than your posts in this forum. Unless you can find posts of me asking if it's OK to fold KK preflop at a .50/1 game.

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I would have given it to Chipper, but it's nowhere near the mistake at SS. Stupid people voting for awards can really tilt me sometimes.

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How the hell do you have over 11K posts and not know a thing about baseball? I had the same delusional thoughts you did until I came across this site.

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most of my posts came before 2p2 was changed into a baseball forum.

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I know you joking, fair enough.

If you want to learn real baseball knowledge; this is the site. Really.

Anyway, Posada crushes Victor Martinez. It's not even close.

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mpatriot im confused as to which post i made that pissed you off so much. i wish i could remember it bc it must have been good.

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mpatriot im confused as to which post i made that pissed you off so much. i wish i could remember it bc it must have been good.

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I'm not pissed off. I think you're a dolt when it comes to sports.

If anything, it irks me that you continue to argue even after clear evidence has shown you're wrong.

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lol, i remember now it was bc of the lbj yankee hat.