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LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Hey all,
Thought that my 1000th post might be a good time for me to share a little bit about myself and encourage some of the newer guys to pratice bankroll management and game selection, study lots, and who knows if you will be writing a post like this next year. Before I begin, I would really like to say that without the help of the guys who consistently provided top notch advice in late 2006 and Early 07, I would not be where I am at in sngs right now. Im sure you guys know who you are, hopefully I will have the opportunity to personally thank you if I am ever able to get to a STTF wsop gathering or something. A little over a year ago, I had been playing live in Toronto every night, a life which I am thrilled I got myself away from. Near the end of a month I had back to back nights losing 4 buyins ($2000), which combined with the rent and credit card bills took a large toll on my bankroll. After reviewing my play and decisions to continue sitting at the table those nights, I decided that I wasn’t being very responsible or 'professional' if this was going to be my sole source of income. My game selection was terrible: I should have moved to one of the three softer 1-2 tables instead of sitting with 5 regulars on nights when the 2-5 was slow. To make matters worse, I started both nights losing a buyin to a river beat when all the money was in the pot and the cards exposed, I was playing 'stuck' and frustrated, and definitely not on my best game. With a few days left in the month, I decided that I would relax and play a little bit online, and return to the live game when I was recharged and ready. I logged into Ultimatebet and saw that I had $4.40 in my bankroll, and thought to myself 'what if $4.40 is all that you had to your name?' Instead of pulling out the credit card and sitting in the types of games I was used to playing, I decided to set a goal for myself - Play 500 $1.1 sit and gos. I figured playing them to teach myself a lesson was far better than playing them because they were the only games I was bankrolled for. I think since the number 500 was far more about the goal than the results or profits, my enthusiasm was much higher to achieve this goal than it had been in weeks of playing live. I am pretty big on record keeping, and at the time I didnt know about tourneymanager (even though it isnt supported by UB anyways) and kept all of my stats in a text file. Heres what that looked like (not the hilarious comments at the beginning, like QQ meets AA and flopped set vs flush): At the beinning, I only had enough to play 4 tables at once (as you can see) ... after that, things took off. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9278/11pi4.jpg After 500 of these, a ROI of 44%, I realized what a huge beat it was that I was playing regular speed tournaments. For the $5.5 tournaments, with a roll in the triple digits, I moved to the $5.5 I didnt stay there long, because I set a goal for myself to move up to the $11s when my roll hit $500, and after clearing an 'ultimatepoints' promotion for a $70 bonus, I was there after 110 ish $5.5s http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4120/55me2.jpg Then my BR hit $500, and since stakes were now doubling every time, I moved up to the $11s and set a bankroll goal of $2000 to begin playing the $22s. The $11s were going well, and I decided to get myself an early christmas present, cash out some of my roll, and buy a 2007FP. Making multitabling a ton easier on my eyes. My roll hit $2k for the first time on Dec 2, which was awesome to me considering it was $56.20 on Nov 9. At this point I started mixing $11s and $22s. http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1779/101au8.jpg At this point, I started to realize that writing down every single sng finish in notepad really wasn’t accomplishing anything other than making me inefficient with screen space. So with the $22s came the end of these hilarious notepad files, RIP: http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/375/202ct3.jpg All of this time, what I should have been doing is moving to somewhere like Stars or Party that supported Pokertracker ‘profit’ results (UB only supports hand statistics) but instead I moved on to an equally hilarious way of tracking my results: tally sheets with pen and paper. Is it just me, or was I moving backwards with technology? http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4843/notes1tk9.jpg http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/700/notes2ac4.jpg Anyways, no more pretty notepad screenshots from ultimatebet. I then moved to partypoker, swapping a friend of mine $1000 on UB for $1000 on party. I cashed out a nice chunk of my roll on UB, and left $3k in there (which I would later donk off playing 15-30 HU LHE, a mistake which I regret and still pisses me off to this day.) Why would I play a game where I didn’t really know what the hell I was doing (compared to sngs?) and blow money in an hour or two that took me much longer than an hour or two to earn? It was a good learning experience. Things kept going well on party. At this point, I was browsing 2p2 a ton and really learning from all of the content there. Theshadows thread was a huge help to me. Here are some easier to look at graphs from tourney manager: 22s, I set a $3k profit goal for these until I would move up to $33s: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5752/22sof0.jpg 33s, I planned to win $3500 at these, for $7500 in my party account, then cash out $ 2500 for some personal spending (new computer, second dell monitor) and move up to the $ 55s: http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9176/33str6.jpg WOOOHOOO, $7500 in my account, now I am playing high stakes $55s …. Oops, running bad or playing bad, gotta move down cuz not winning was tilting me, affecting my confidence, and I wasn’t enjoying it as much, this is in march/april of 07: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5...ovedownwa3.jpg Ok, that didn’t go as planned. My new idea was to move down to the $ 33s, rebuild my confidence and really work on my game. I wanted to earn $6k, for a $10k roll , and start with the $55s again. At this time, I also bought idleminer so I would have PT stats on almost any player that sat in the sngs with me. I took note taking, session review, and game selection to a new level. http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6...ovedownwr5.jpg At this point, with $10k I figured its time to move up. I started observing the $55 and $109 games, and it was a coincidence that at t hat time, there were a bunch of regulars loading sets for the $55s, and t he $109s didn’t have many common players. With my stomach pretty nervous, I ‘took a shot’ and loaded a set of $55s. It turned out pretty well, and from here I never looked back  Not long after, I splurged on a new computer and a second 2007fp. For the most part, it was $100+ buyins for me from here on, unless they were loading slow and i needed to fill up: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1...prunhotvr7.jpg This post is getting pretty long and Im getting sick of taking screenshots, also since moving up to the $100s I have played on three different computers (upgrading is fun!) I dont feel like taking the time to combine all of that. I will leave you with my last 2.5k games on my current PC: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2...t2ksngsdu4.jpg Recently I took 6 weeks off of sngs (I have taken two breaks in the last year of playing, to not get burned out) and Im pumped to get back at them. I was also approached by Stoxpoker and hired as one of their SNG coaches, which I took as an enormous compliment. It felt great for me to feel like I had come that far in just a year of really taking this seriously. For those of you looking to improve, I would rank the following three skills as most important: Bankroll management. If you are busto, you arent going to make monies. If you manage your bankroll well, you shouldn’t go busto. Play games you can beat (game selection) and whenever possible, play them only when you are at your best. Study. a)You wont beat the games as you move up for a significant rate unless you play significantly better than your opposition. Don’t just read the forums, read them with a purpose. Every time you load up STTF, tell yourself you are doing it to get better (or to post in the [censored] thread. b) Study your opponents. If you see the s ame player frequently, use t his to your advantage by either avoiding him or exploiting him. Tons of regulars have tons of holes in their game, find out what they are, and you will reap huge benefits. (Idleminer helped me huge with this) Give back. a)There have been a ton of posters who have given quality advice for long periods of time, Im sure many of you recognize their names/avatars every time they post. Some of them arent posting as often, they have moved on to different games, don’t visit sttf anymore, or just have different [censored] going on in their lives. I think if you’ve learned from them, pick up where they left off and return the favor. b) Post quality responses. I think there are sometimes too many people posting ‘fold’ ‘push’ or even worse, just quoting someone else that posted that. Why don’t you try and help the guy who is attempting to learn? When I have the time, I like to let the poster know ‘I would be mucking AJ, AQ but probably calling AK, JJ+’ or ‘I think 66-88 is close here, but would probably push 99’ …. The worse thing that can happen is that your range might not be right, and this is a good thing – DUCY? You can learn when a more experienced player might see your post and explain why his range would differ. Be paitent when you help the new guys, you never know if they might learn a ton and really be able to help you with some advice in a future thread of yours. |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
fantastic. i recently started playing SnG's after going nowhere (net like 50 bucks) for cash for a year, and i've doubled my bankroll in the last 2.5 weeks. I hope I can use the same BR management and learn with the same pace as you did a year ago. Pretty inspiring stuff.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
great post, congrats [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
congrate. i set my goal to 2000 this month [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] playing $6 SnG and the $10.
how many tables where you playing after the first 2000? how many SnG did you play/day? |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Very nice post Scotty.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Great post, very inspiring. Seems that SNG's aren't as bad moneymakers as often told. Good luck at the high stakes!
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
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congrate. i set my goal to 2000 this month [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] playing $6 SnG and the $10. how many tables where you playing after the first 2000? how many SnG did you play/day? [/ QUOTE ] When I bought my 2nd monitor I was always 12+ tabling. I dont put in too sick of volume, the most ive played in a day has probably been a little shy of 200 (party only allows 12 tables so I am kind of restricted, but there arent that many high buyins running in teh first place) |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Good luck to you. It looks like you've got the right attitude toward bankroll management and the mental side of poker in general. Poker is 30% psychology, 30% self-psychology, 30% luck, and 20% math.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
I love your story Scotty! [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Your cool! =0
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
very nice, congrats scotty. best of luck in future.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Holla, ship it, balla!
Congrats & keep it up. |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
wait you made 100k ?
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Cakewalk, correct. All of those graphs are from my old laptop, with the exception of the last photo which is from my newest desktop (3rd computer)
Im including rakeback in 100k figure |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
I like how you kept moving up and up! My problem was I would never moved up even though I had a roll to. Anytime I hit alittle downswing I would drop down. Do you really pratice really good game selection for sngs? So you wait till most of the regulars load there game before you start playing? Won't that take forever and last of all did you steal your avatar from the pokerstars guy? =0
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
NH Scotty - GL keep it up.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
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Cakewalk, correct. All of those graphs are from my old laptop, with the exception of the last photo which is from my newest desktop (3rd computer) Im including rakeback in 100k figure [/ QUOTE ] Wow, nice work. I will pay a lot more attention to your posts now. Keep it up though. |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Great post. Really good to hear for someone down in the micros.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Wow, nice work!
Your story, results, tips and hard work are an inspiration for me, thanks. |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
grats man
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grats man [/ QUOTE ] |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
v impressive and nice that you have shared it with us, congratulations and keep on pwning!
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
NJ Scotty....way to go
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
I missed this. Cool post. I love the hand written notes [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
oops, just saw this post. great stuff scotty. glad you have started posting so much lately. congrats.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Nice post Scotty. And I love the hand written notes...I definitely logged a few thousand tournys using that system. Btw, what's your name on Party? I used to play the 109's on there a lot, maybe we played together. I was "Danuhmann" if that rings a bell.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
nice. over how many sngs is this?
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Nice job.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
awesome. I was always aware of who you were cause of your PMs to me awhile back about Kingston home games.
But, for the last couple months, I was very surprised how quick you seemed to jump in limits. Nice job. I like that you had an aggressive plan early. It seems everyone now is so concerned with bankroll management at the low limits, when they could easily be moving up. |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
congrats and very well done
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It seems everyone now is so concerned with bankroll management at the low limits, when they could easily be moving up. [/ QUOTE ] I've been bitching about this for years but no one listens to me. It's cold and there are wolves after me. |
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I like how you kept moving up and up! My problem was I would never moved up even though I had a roll to. Anytime I hit alittle downswing I would drop down. Do you really pratice really good game selection for sngs? So you wait till most of the regulars load there game before you start playing? Won't that take forever and last of all did you steal your avatar from the pokerstars guy? =0 [/ QUOTE ] Alot of the times, I would just use rakeback to pay for my rent/credit card bills (or money I already had) and keep the rest in my roll, that allowed me to move up. For game selection, if there are too many good players starting up, I just play a few smaller games, wait until they are done filling up, etc My avatar is stolen from the Grateful Dead. I've never played on stars, so Im not sure who you are talking about. [ QUOTE ] nice. over how many sngs is this? [/ QUOTE ] Hard to say due to formatted/melted harddrives where I didnt have the smarts to backup before data loss, I would estimate at least 15,000 [ QUOTE ] awesome. I was always aware of who you were cause of your PMs to me awhile back about Kingston home games. But, for the last couple months, I was very surprised how quick you seemed to jump in limits. Nice job. I like that you had an aggressive plan early. It seems everyone now is so concerned with bankroll management at the low limits, when they could easily be moving up. [/ QUOTE ] I miss the $20 kingston monday night MTT, thats what got me started with poker in the first place. One of the guys there that I became good friends with (Corey Severin) asked me one time if I ever played against or heard of a guy named Devin Lake, so he must know you too. I didnt want to say 'yeah I know him from the internet forum I post on' I think it was easier for me to have an agressive plan and move up because I never viewed the money as coming from my bank account - just something I had been building from nothing. That doesnt mean I would ever be reckless with it though. [ QUOTE ] Nice post Scotty. And I love the hand written notes...I definitely logged a few thousand tournys using that system. Btw, what's your name on Party? I used to play the 109's on there a lot, maybe we played together. I was "Danuhmann" if that rings a bell. [/ QUOTE ] Around June, July I would have started at those games. I dont recognize your screenname so I highly doubt we played very often |
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One of the guys there that I became good friends with (Corey Severin) asked me one time if I ever played against or heard of a guy named Devin Lake, so he must know you too. I didnt want to say 'yeah I know him from the internet forum I post on' [/ QUOTE ] Haha, I`ve known Corey for 20+ years. |
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One of the guys there that I became good friends with (Corey Severin) asked me one time if I ever played against or heard of a guy named Devin Lake, so he must know you too. I didnt want to say 'yeah I know him from the internet forum I post on' [/ QUOTE ] you are supposed to say "oh i thought devin was a lake in canada" at least thats what i did. |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
I should have been like 'hes my moderator!'
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Congras, Scotty. Nice post !
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very nice, congrats scotty. best of luck in future. [/ QUOTE ] And I'm glad I found tourneymanager right after starting sngs [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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And I'm glad I found tourneymanager right after starting sngs [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] And I'm glad I saved all my HHs so I could put them in tourneymanager right after I bought it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Also congrats on nice results and good diciplin Scotty. |
Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Nice story. Good to have you around.
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Very inspiring post!
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Re: LC: 1k post, results from 0 to 1000 and from $4.40 to over $100k
Even if I had tourneymanager, it doesnt support UB because they dont list the payouts in their HH files [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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