$60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

unknown villian, he got his stack when AA>KK AIPF.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP2 (t1490)
CO (t1490)
Button (t1590)
Hero (t1460)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t2970)
MP1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t80.

Flop: (t220) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t160</font>, UTG+1 calls t160.

Turn: (t540) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: (t540) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t500</font>, Hero calls t500.

Final Pot: t1540

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

I think the river is close, but I'd play it the same.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

you basically are putting him on AT/A8/66/TT right?

seems close, i guess its fine.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

This does not look like a bluff to me. The turn would be the place for him to bluff, imo.
I don't think he bet 55-77-99 on the river, maybe JJ ? He could also bet an Ace after you check 2 times. 66 is another possibility.

I porbably call bc I'm a station and you don't have reads but my spidey sense tells me you're beat more often than not here.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

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This does not look like a bluff to me. The turn would be the place for him to bluff, imo.
I don't think he bet 55-77-99 on the river, maybe JJ ? He could also bet an Ace after you check 2 times. 66 is another possibility.

I porbably call bc I'm a station and you don't have reads but my spidey sense tells me you're beat more often than not here.

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i tend to agree, its just that an ace is not likely and the bet sizing looking bluffy, but a lot of villains dont guage that too well, which is why its probably a fold ingame. the contrast is that those dumb villains do often turn low pps into bluffs thinking "an ace is out, maybe he hit a low one, im gonna fire hard on the river since he checked on the turn and put him off it"... itd be more interesting/closer if he bet like 300 on the river probably.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

I'm folding river. Looks like an 8 that wants to get the value he missed on the turn. He could also have the ace.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

Large river bets scream valuetown in STTs usually. I'm folding. Quite a few hands beating us &amp; not a lot of likely bluff hands.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

I'd play the exact same way.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

I'm folding too, I don't think we're ahead of enough to justify a call here. Also if you call and lose you're pretty hurt in chips.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

I would have to go with whatever read i had at the time. I can't decide either way. I may lean towards folding with no read because you will still have plenty of chips if you do fold.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

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I porbably call bc I'm a station and you don't have reads but my spidey sense tells me you're beat more often than not here.

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I don't think Rex actually plays this way, I think he's just mocking my play..... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

when he called the flop bet i was putting him on:

55/66/77/99, T9/TJ/TQ, and few combinations of two overcards AJ KQ KJ QJ. i would have expected KT or AT to raise the flop.

of course he could have 8 or some type monster, but i figured on the river i was ahead of most of his range.

also, on river, i have pretty much announced i do not have and ace or 8, so his overbet sorta screams "i am behind and need villian to fold"

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

Since he's an unknown it's really close. I don't think calling or folding are going to be much different in the long run. I'd probably end up calling since he's a complete unknown and has a big stack which makes it even more likely he'd bluff.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

A villian who got his chips in with Aces PF prior to this is surely not going to check an Ace on the turn or flat call a random eight on the flop. The only hands I see u behind are 88 and TT as he could likely slowplay these monsters. So I would play it the same as there is a good chance its a bluff or PP that we are ahead of.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

fwiw, villian had QJo.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

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fwiw, villian had QJo.

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brag post ldo

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

I play the same, and I think often times KK is good here.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

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fwiw, villian had QJo.

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Nice. Make sure he's in all of your games.

Re: $60 KK L1, turn is ace
 

Ignoring results I usually fold but I think its probably a call, KT makes way more sense than an ace, also he's got 99 or 77 a lot as well, I still would usually fold though cause unknowns generally dont follow a logical process and he'll show up with something random a lot and Im an early nit.