2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

Full Tilt (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Preflop: hero is CO with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kh.gif. SB posts a blind of 15.
[color=#666666]1 fold</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, [color=#666666]2 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]hero raises</font>, [color=#666666]2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7s.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, hero checks.

Turn: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6c.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, hero folds, BB calls.
BB checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot:

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
No showdown. BB wins . </font>

Is this too tight a fold?

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

and should i have cb the flop?

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

please use a converter that includes stack sizes and raise/bet sizes...

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

my bad...

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: 1,485
SB: 1,470
BB: 1,545
UTG: 1,500
UTG+1: 1,500
UTG+2: 1,500
MP1: 1,500
MP2: 1,500
Hero (CO): 1,500

Pre-Flop: (45) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls 30, UTG+2 calls 30, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to 140</font>, 2 folds, BB calls 110, UTG+1 calls 110, UTG+2 calls 110

Flop: (575) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (575) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets 120</font>, 2 folds, BB calls 120

River: (815) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks

Results: 815 Pot
BB showed T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Tens) and WON 815 (+555 NET)
UTG+1 showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Sevens) and LOST (-260 NET)

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

He bet like a zillionth of the pot on the turn - I'd prob just call and try and get to shown down cheaply.

Fold isn't terrible though given it's 4 way.

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

yea i felt dumb, should i have bet the flop they checked pretty quick but i didnt want to get raised

???

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

I think checking the flop is fine, you are behind a lot, and even if you rare best, you are getting called by a worse hand like never. You aren't really worried about someone drawing out on you, and if a q or j hits, you might get some action off a worse hand.

On the turn, I think I call, as the bet is pretty small, and could be a lot of hands you beat.

I probably check behind on river, but don't hate a thin value bet as long as fold to raise.

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

Raise more preflop. There are two limpers in already and you're giving everyone very good odds to call you, creating exactly what you don't want: a multi-way pot with KK.

I'm ok with the flop check but I'm definitely calling the small turn bet.

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

I like your preflop raise: but on an A high rainbow flop I cbet.
You are the aggressor so bet 3/4 of the pot and then probably just watch the other player folds:
if someone call you just fire again on the turn, if reraised you are against a great hand so just muck.

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

Bet the flop.

As played call turn - of course this can be a weakish ace, but the betsize is ridiculous.

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

Yeah you're not losing a lot of value by folding the turn, but for that bet size I'd have to call. They will usually have a weak ace though, so don't feel like you made a huge mistake or anything.

Also, I'd probably raise slightly more PF, maybe 160-170, but idk if it would have mattered.

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

bet 180 pre

lead out on flop... fold to a reraise. As played, I agree with lev.

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

You should be raising a bit more pf.

The flop is a really good place to check behind and get hands that we beat to lead turn. C-betting this flop to me is bad because only hands that beat us call and hands that we beat fold everytime. Also with 4 opponents getting to showdown cheap is usually my main concern on an A high flop.

Call turn as now we have widened the range of villian to hands that we are ahead of, thus giving us the correct odds to call.

You can maybe call a smallish river bet and if checked through there might be a chance that a thin value bet might work. I also don't mind checking behind on the river as well because getting c/r would suck after being this close to showdown.

Re: 2nd hand $5 freezeout
 

OK, everyone saying bet the flop, what are we trying to achieve here? This just makes no sense.

Sure, 90% of the time people fold, but we are only getting called by hands that beat us, and making worse hands folds.

The only possible better hands we might get to fold are something like a weak ace, but then we'd be turning our KK into a bluff, so we may as well be doing this with J10.

Also trying to bluff players off top pair in the early stages of a 5 doller tourney is pretty suicidal.