100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

.50/1 PLO. I've run my short stack up to $50.

This is the first time I remember CO raising in an hour-plus so I have to believe he has a strong hand.
SB recently got destroyed so he could have anything (seems like the player who has to have high cards here. Not the type to push a run-down hand.)
UTG+1 seems good.

This would be the first time I've ever shoved/willingly been all-in with this type of hand.

1) Do I want to be all-in pre-flop? My instinct says 'yes'. What if I had no suits?
2) Should I re-pot it myself? Or let the guy I believe to be very strong do it?
3) What if there's a smart player who may also be in with a run-down hand?


UTG+1: dianey33 ($146.70 in chips)
MP1: Jimmy Chagra ($54.60 in chips)
MP2: ChuckyB_DT ($50.70 in chips)
MP3: pokeresq ($58.35 in chips)
CO: Piiop ($85.50 in chips)
BUTTON: OAK-SILV&bla ($92.15 in chips)
SB: Mojo7559 ($15 in chips)
BB: 2'sRwild ($284.65 in chips)
UTG: kindwarrior ($125.90 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
2 calls, fold, HERO calls, fold, <font color="red">CO raises to $4</font>, fold, <font color="red">SB raises to $15 (all-in)</font>, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $14, HERO ???

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

wow. no do not repot, you do not want to get it in now with 8high.
fold&gt;call&gt;raise

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

Rob's pretty much on the money here. If you were double-suited I'd call, but as it stands you've no reason to continue given that people like to get all-in preflop with hands like yours (which includes a few hands that crush yours).

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

Don't cold call. Fold, in fact. You're not even double suited. Don't get between these 2 preflop raising donkballs.

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

i'd call.

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If he calls, what does he do once CO shoves? I'd call here, but would be worried about CO when I do.

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

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i'd call.

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Me too. I kinda like to call though, just in general. I think it's pretty neutral EV between calling and folding.

Calling's definitely better than shoving though since your hand plays better multi-way than it does HU and a reraise could push CO out. Also, your hand is one that's pretty well defined by a flop whereas something like a big pair hand will often have no idea where they stand if the flop comes low so seeing a flop with close to a PSB left benefits your hand much more than others.

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

Call and call any raise. I'd have said repot but you're not deep enough and you put CO on a strong hand.

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

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If he calls, what does he do once CO shoves? I'd call here, but would be worried about CO when I do.

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obviously call.

for those who say call, could you explain your reasoning a little?

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

dont shortstack plo

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

So I ran some equity calculations (thanks to 'wazz' who posted a link to Pro Poker Tools in another thread)

8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] had 29% equity against what ended up being the three other hands in the main pot. In the side pot it had 35.7% equity against the two other hands. Plus I gain protection if one of the two remaining hands makes the other fold (up to 40-45%).

Based on some other calculations, the only way I've found that I'm pooched is if someone has bigger diamonds and someone has a higher four-card run-down. Then I'd have, in some cases, just under 20% equity.

When I was there I saw this as a situation that Rolf Slotboom talks about...how well an 8765 (in his examples, double-suited) does against a strong high-card hand. That said, I wasn't sure if I'd have the balls to go for it.

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dont shortstack plo

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Moral objection or I'm missing value?

Shortstacking has allowed me into the game and learn quite a bit with much less risk. I don't have nearly enough $$ online to play more than .10/.25 with a full buy-in.

Re: 100 PLO: Get chips in fast???
 

you should move down and learn to play full stacked it will be worth it in the long run if thats what you care about.

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you should move down and learn to play full stacked it will be worth it in the long run if thats what you care about.

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Yeah, I have no illusion that I'm learning much about playing after the flop. I'm just trying to get into the action because, for whatever reason, I can't take NLHE.

That said, there are some valuable lessons I've picked up from short-stacking and watching (putting people on hands, value of marginal hands based on prior action, etc.)

And shorties are much less stressful for multi-tabling.