AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t400 with t25 antes (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t7220)
Button (t1215)
Hero (t1575)
BB (t3490)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red">CO raises to t4400</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, Hero calls t1350 (All-in)

-EV with CO range 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs or better.
Only +0.8% EV with CO range 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,98s

I thought this was a fairly easy call?

Re: AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

well has he been shoving every hand like he should? if so, then i usually call

Re: AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

WTF, standard. You have only enough money for two more orbits.

CO's range here is pretty wide, he has all three covered, and BB won't risk his entire stack without a super premium hand, since there are two shorties fighting to get into the money.

Re: AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

It is a fairly easy call, OP, why do you think his range is tighter than that?

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The reason SnGPT says it's -EV is because there is a shorter stack. But, it's not really taking into account how close you are to that short stack, and what happens if the short stack gets a walk, or doubles up.

I think this is a good spot to take a slight -EV spot. Not to mention, CO could be extremely wide there if he's good.

Re: AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

I call here all day. how can you fold when you only have enough money for two more rounds? I'm sure AQo here beats co's range drastically. So, call like a man.

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What makes this gender related?

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The reason SnGPT says it's -EV is because there is a shorter stack. But, it's not really taking into account how close you are to that short stack, and what happens if the short stack gets a walk, or doubles up.

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Re: AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

The CO should be on ATC, and definitely much looser than OP's estimates. This is a pretty easy call if we can assume the CO is at least halfway decent.

ICM tools will show this as push when you put in a reasonable CO-range.

Re: AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

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The reason SnGPT says it's -EV is because there is a shorter stack. But, it's not really taking into account how close you are to that short stack, and what happens if the short stack gets a walk, or doubles up.

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Garbage in, garbage out.

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Only +0.8% EV with CO range 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,98s

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A pretty easy call and, BTW, +0.8% is not "only", it's actually very much.

Re: AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

COs range should be much wider, thus +ev call.

Re: AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

CO's range is very wide, and +.8 is pretty big. Easy call if he's pushing wide, which he should be. Also, Even if he isn't pushing wide, this might be one of those take a slightly -EV moments, because it's all downhill from here. we're too close in size to the short stack to play the wait it out game imo. if we had 2000 it'd be different.

Re: AQ hand SNGPT is telling me to fold.
 

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The reason SnGPT says it's -EV is because there is a shorter stack. But, it's not really taking into account how close you are to that short stack, and what happens if the short stack gets a walk, or doubles up.

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No, if given the correct inputs, sngpt will guide you correctly in most scenarios. However, ICM is not the only factor to consider. Sng strategy is not independent of future action or chip distribution.

If you double your stack, this would clearly be a fold and ICM would tell you that. What happens in the next few hands would have much less of an affect in that scenario so basing your play purely on ICM would be much more correct.

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I call here all day. how can you fold when you only have enough money for two more rounds and have a premium hand?

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Only +0.8% EV with CO range 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,98s

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A pretty easy call and, BTW, +0.8% is not "only", it's actually very much.

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So, call like a man.

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What makes this gender related?

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Yeah, I really hate that bull [censored] too.

As for the hand, I call all day.

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So, call like a man.

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What makes this gender related?

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Yeah, I really hate that bull [censored] too.

As for the hand, I call all day.

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Stop whining you two and take it like a man.

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So, call like a man.

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What makes this gender related?

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Yeah, I really hate that bull [censored] too.

As for the hand, I call all day.

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Stop whining you two and take it like a man.

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lol

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So, call like a man.

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What makes this gender related?

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Yeah, I really hate that bull [censored] too.

As for the hand, I call all day.

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Stop whining you two and take it like a man.

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Yeah, because there's nothing Danny likes more than taking it like a man [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]