stars 20/180 slowplayed KK vs C/R all-in
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t40254)
BB (t62992)
Hero (t27754)
MP (t29354)
Button (t14977)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls t1200, MP calls t1200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t4700) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t5425</font>, MP folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t61667</font>, Hero calls t21004 (All-In).

no reads

standard?

Re: stars 20/180 slowplayed KK vs C/R all-in
 

I dont like it, particularly utg. The way you played it, id be shoving the flop. Theres a few draws out there and you prob have the best hand atm.

Id only ever consider limping KK here if the table was super-tight, even then.. its just not me

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Agree with deepsquat, adding I'd only limp if the table was either super tight, or wild with the plan of pushing back over the top preflop.

As it is the free flop reads to me as he hit two pair most likely.

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You have to call here, theres no way they're putting you on an overpair. You have an M of about 10 and this is exactly the action you wanted right? No ace or pair flopped, what other type of non K flop is better?

Re: stars 20/180 slowplayed KK vs C/R all-in
 

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standard?

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Flop is standard. Preflop I don't like open-limping any hand 5-handed, and no, it's not standard to do so with even AA or KK. Since at this point of the tourney I'm stealing somewhat frequently I need to raise my good hands as well. Unless you've limped a decent amount previously, which you shouldn't have, I don't like it.

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I've done this at some tables and it always seem to backfire on me.

Raise preflop and get it in on the flop.

Re: stars 20/180 slowplayed KK vs C/R all-in
 

Definitely get it in on flop.

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Isn't this why you limped it PF, so people would overplay their TP or whatever hands against your hidden monster? I mean this is like your dream, undercard flop and someone shoves over your bet, you should cheerfully be calling. I don't like the PF limp either, it's not like raising would give away the strength of your hand since your range there is quite wide (or should be.)

Re: stars 20/180 slowplayed KK vs C/R all-in
 

EASY call. Flush draw is the worst-case scenario for you.

Re: stars 20/180 slowplayed KK vs C/R all-in
 

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EASY call. Flush draw is the worst-case scenario for you.

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or maybe 555 or 888. those are possible too. once a player open limps, it encourages other to limp a hand they may have folded or raised with (like 5-5 or 8-8). regardless, i still call quickly b/c if he has QTs, QJ, QK, QA, or a flush draw he may be getting frisky on you.

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I really dislike the way you played this.

First of all, why no reads??? You're five-handed late in a 22/180 and you have no reads?

Second, the button has a great stack size for restealing and the BB is very deep -- both of these suggest that raising preflop is better to induce action. I don't hate the limp if the table conditions dictate, but since you gave no reads I'd keep it more standard and hope for action behind me.

Your flop bet is weird -- about 15% more than the pot? If your goal there was to make it look like you were trying to steal the pot after the two checks, then you got exactly what you wanted -- a big stack to come over the top. Call with a fist pump.

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Id only ever consider limping KK here if the table was super-tight, even then.. its just not me

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that doesn't make sense. you want an aggressive table that will raise a limper with a wide range so that you can reraise or flat if you really desire (yuck).

but really the bb doesnt have 555/888 here because the c/r is way too huge. its maybe 85 but more usually Qx or a flushdraw