river value shove vs unknown
 

Villain just sat.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $354.90
Hero (CO): $213.95
BTN: $127.05
SB: $187
BB: $243
UTG: $193

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $2, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $7

Flop: ($21) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16</font>, UTG calls $16

Turn: ($53) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $38</font>, UTG calls $38

River: ($129) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero thinks for 3 seconds and shoves</font> (a pot sized bet for villain)

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

Easy river check, I'd say.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

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Easy river check, I'd say.

[/ QUOTE ]just because 67 got there? He either has a draw, pair+draw, or J...right?

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

I'd need a better read to range-merge value showdown tax shove.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

def not an "easy river check" considering UTG rarely has a better hand, and also because people will call light with pair+busted draw type hands. I think a shove kinda takes away from that, so I like a ~1/2 pot bet.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

w/ moss

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

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Easy river check, I'd say.

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lol wtf?

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

Villain is unknown, so I am thinking a check here is best.

You have shown nothing but strength and Villain seems happy to call you down.

EDIT:
I can not see too many hands that call our turn bet and will call a value bet on the river that we beat.

On top of this the sizing of the vb is going to be a nightmare given stack sizes.

If you vb half pot, can you fold to a shove?

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

agree w/ moss that if you bet you shouldn't shove just because it looks so strong. I would be more inclined to check because there are definitely people that play two pair/set cautiously on a monotone flop and you have no reads.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

looks good. oh well if you get value-stacked, you need to be getting value in spots like this.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

Yeah looks fine. He very seldom has a worse hand. I usaully assume unkowns are not very good so i err on the side of agressive value beting. The limp call pre also indicates he is probebly not that good.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

I like it.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

I dont think the shove is horrible but I think something like JXc is more likely to call something in the $60 range than the shove. I like never see a c/r on this river so a smallish bet should be pretty safe if you think he folds worse hands to a shove a lot.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

I dont even think the shove is bad let alone horrible is what i meant.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

For those saying bet/shove can you explain why?

I see many more hands that will call/raise any bet that beats us then hands that will call that we beat.

Re: river value shove vs unknown
 

More on turn to set up smaller pot ratio value shove.

But, seriously full tilt plays so weird. I would honestly expect for villain to tank and call with J9.