AQ 5sng
 

It's three maybe four hands into this. Seems like this guy doesn't feel like playing actual poker.

Full Tilt Poker, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): 1,450
SB: 1,550

Pre-Flop: (30) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">SB raises to 60</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 200</font>, SB calls 140

Flop: (400) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets 1,250 and is All-In</font>, SB calls 1,250

Turn: (2,900) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (2,900) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

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explain your thought process on the flop

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my head hurts

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I'm usually the villain here and i call with 10j. You push the flop (for some crazy reason) and I insta-call. You hit your 6 outer and I then try to lose my chat for the umpteenth time. Seriously, why are you pushing here? What do you think you are going to get called by that you beat? You might as well have 23 here.

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you're not Hero here, are you?

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yeah, at 5$ this is just a huge drain, unless hero knows villain at least somewhat and it's first big confrontation.

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So you had JJ, 4-bet him all in.

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It's three maybe four hands into this. Seems like this guy doesn't feel like playing actual poker.

Full Tilt Poker, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): 1,450
SB: 1,550

Pre-Flop: (30) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">SB raises to 60</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 200</font>, SB calls 140

Flop: (400) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets 1,250 and is All-In</font>, SB calls 1,250

Turn: (2,900) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (2,900) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

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im drunk on vbacardi 151 right now, but still...wtf on the flop?

Re: AQ 5sng
 

a fish took heroes line against me the other day on a 10 high flop. I fistpump called with my pocket 3s, and sure enough they had AQ (and hit a queen also! what a coincidence), but seriously, if they player who shoves is sucky and there is no meta going on, it is so obviously missed overcards . . .

hero played it so sucky.

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So you had JJ, 4-bet him all in.

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Hero has AQ, supposedly.

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I'm still waiting for Dave's response because his read and the way the hand is played out doesn't really seem to coincide.

Any chance HH is messed up and Hero is actually the SB or something???

He says "Seems like this guy doesn't feel like playing actual poker" and then overbet shoves a dry flop that he missed. Something seems awry.

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I posted this hand mostly because I wasn't too sure how tilty it would look. This was my second-to-last game last night and I closed down my computer after making this post.

The first hand: Villain Shoves AI.
The second hand: Hero raises, Villain Reraises big, hero folds.
Third hand: Villain shoves.
Fourth hand: I folded.

This hand, villain raised.

Option 1: shove outright.
Option 2: Shove the flop, or bet/call a shove.
Option 3: fold somehow, which I don't like.

I felt like this villain would call with a very large range for the same reason that was mentioned earlier: That this opponent would interpret my shove as a bluff and call with anything that could catch.

It was a weird day yesterday:

Tilt?
Good logic, but don't rush it?

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Two options that I think are better lines than what you chose:

1) 3-bet shove preflop if you really think he is calling that light

2) cbet flop 1/2 pot to induce bluffs and call a shove


I understand your frustration, but I don't see how you are ahead of much of his range even if he is calling your flop shove VERY light.

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If someone doesn't want to play poker you just have to take your 60/40 or 65/45 and shove on him or call a shove preflop. I'd just shove preflop with AQ if that's what he's doing. Otherwise take as many cheap flops as possible and be prepared to call a shove with TP. You get this once in a while when a guy at higher limits is tilty. Happens at the 50's once in a while too.

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Given your read, I think this is an ideal spot for a PF shove. Best of all, you don't have to play a largish pot OOP.

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Given your read, I think this is an ideal spot for a PF shove. Best of all, you don't have to play a largish pot OOP.

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If someone doesn't want to play poker you just have to take your 60/40 or 65/45 and shove on him or call a shove preflop. I'd just shove preflop with AQ if that's what he's doing. Otherwise take as many cheap flops as possible and be prepared to call a shove with TP. You get this once in a while when a guy at higher limits is tilty. Happens at the 50's once in a while too.

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I agree .

He obviously doesn't want to play postflop poker . You should try to end the hand pre-flop and maybe even shove with a-q to see if he calls lightly .

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so being down 50 chips makes it right to go all in with A high? pushing flop doesnt give him a chance to bluff.

anyone think flat calling preflop is more profitable in the long run?

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so being down 50 chips makes it right to go all in with A high? pushing flop doesnt give him a chance to bluff.

anyone think flat calling preflop is more profitable in the long run?

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Not in a 5 against a maniac who seems to want to just get it in preflop and get the match over with. Against the average opponent I would reraise to 300 and cbet the flop, but shoving is likely the best play against this type of player. I can't tell you how many times I've done this and been called by Ace-rag or just complete air like K4 or whatever.

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Thinking of the results of this hand, I am definitely seeing the logic of shoving pf.

He showed J9 ftw, so the hand would have probably ended the same way.

I was just trying to figure out if this would be the kind of player to call with other trash like 75 suited or whatever, though he most certainly would have called with 67.