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So I just saw Rounders for the first time ever. I saw the hand where Matt Damon lost his whole bankroll against the Russian KGB guy with AA999 against AAA99. For those of you who have seen the movie, what do you think of Matt Damon's play of moving all in after he thinks the KGB hit his flush on the river and bet out. Would you have just called or would you have moved all in thinking it was nearly impossible he had AA?

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one more: what did teddy have in that last hand of the film when he flat-called a button raise, made big overbets on both flop and turn even though the other guy told him pretty much what he had ("alright, teddy, i call or else i won´t respect myself in the morning" lollllllllllllllll) and overbet shoved the river, which brought an ace, exclaiming "that ace could not have helped you. i BET IT ALL" (lollllllllllll)?

AA once again?

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You should post this hand in the High Stakes NL forum, and pretend this is a hand that happened to you. They love that there!

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Cooler. Anyone who isnt passive/weak-tight is moving in on the river there.

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Cooler. Anyone who likes money is moving in on the river there.

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FYP

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Cooler. Anyone who likes money is moving in on the river there.

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FYP

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Even playing with your own roll?

The Cincinnati Kid was just as good as last night. Check-raising his full-boat to a possible str8 flush? Oops, was that a spoiler? :-)

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It is a fuuuckkin joke anyvays, Im still up like thirty grrannd from this last time i...........stick it in you!!!

GOLD!

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Pay hyim hees munnay.

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Cooler. Anyone who isnt passive/weak-tight is moving in on the river there.

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I loved the DVD commentary where he thought that Mike should have checked called the second nuts instead of moving in.

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That turn check in position was so fishy though.

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every hand played in that movie was fishy

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every hand played in that movie was fishy

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Are you saying this because

a) You actually think like this and you have analyzed every hand in this movie

b) You think it's cool to say that?

Answer and elaborate please.

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For one thing, betting 2x pot is standard in that movie on most streets. And 10x preflop raises with KK heads up. And 3 bets to 5x reraises etc. KGB reraises Mikes 1000 bet (with KK) to 5000.

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every hand played in that movie was fishy

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Are you saying this because

a) You actually think like this and you have analyzed every hand in this movie

b) You think it's cool to say that?

Answer and elaborate please.

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well the two that jump to mind besides the AA999 hand are johnny chan 3-betting a 10BB stack at 300/600 and folding to a 4-bet and the 1st hand of the final HU match when the pot is opened to 1k at 25/50

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It's a hand where 99.999% of players would have gone broke on. Nuff said.

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yeah iirc johnny chan folding to a 4bet in LIMIT preflop was pretty good

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If I were Matt Damon, I would certainly shut my mouth on the river, instead of saying "I don't believe you have a flush". It's an excellent way to get the guy with the flush to fold.

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yeah iirc johnny chan folding to a 4bet in LIMIT preflop was pretty good

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I remember at the time trying to discern what they intended in this scene.

There's NO WAY Chan is folding preflop to a 4-bet in limit holdem (obviously), so I was trying to see if they were trying to show a raggedy flop or what...

And I was left mystified.

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It's on the flop. You can actually see 3 cards dealt out. Everybody just assumes it happens preflop because he doesn't mention where the action starts out.

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i love it how people take this film seriously to the point they analyse the hands and use it for instructional purposes.

its a film ffs, they do what the directors think will look best on screen.

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I would have instamucked the nines full.

Why?

It's a movie. Ever see a full house not lose in a movie?

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Well, when Mike walked into KGBs place, KGB asked him if he wanted $500. And from Knish's talk about him going to play the 10/20 in Chesterfield and then the other games Mike and Worm played, I'd have to guess that Mike's usual games were 10/20, 20/40, Limit, or with a rack of $500 maybe $2/$5 NL. So, the only mistake Mike made in the hand was putting his entire $30,000 bankroll at stake. Moron deserved to go broke.

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I would have instamucked the nines full.

Why?

It's a movie. Ever see a full house not lose in a movie?

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You got it backwards, fhs are always beat in the movies, but good irl.

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If I were Matt Damon, I would certainly shut my mouth on the river, instead of saying "I don't believe you have a flush". It's an excellent way to get the guy with the flush to fold.

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Even in the last hand he talking on the flop ("I'll regret it if I don't call you" or something )and acting weak on the river. Pretty obvious tells.

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i love it how people take this film seriously to the point they analyse the hands and use it for instructional purposes.

its a film ffs, they do what the directors think will look best on screen.

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Woah woah are you trying to suggest that they were more concerned with making an entertaining film than making the hands as realistic and well played as possible?

Get the [censored] out of here

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Haven't seen the movie in years but if I recall correctly he had pocket tens for top set. I don't know why I know this.

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He shouldn't have even played in that game. Nuff said.

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Cooler. Anyone who likes money is moving in on the river there.

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But Dude.............. the Oreo!!!

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Id also like to point out that Roman and Maurice are not speaking Sputnik, they are in fact speaking Russian.

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Haven't seen the movie in years but if I recall correctly he had pocket tens for top set. I don't know why I know this.

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I heard that if you play it back frame by frame you can see one of his cards is a ten when he mucks them.

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Id also like to point out that Roman and Maurice are not speaking Sputnik, they are in fact speaking Russian.

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LOL, excellent.

On the last hand, you can see Teddy had TT.

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Pretty sure this is wrong, seen as he says the ace couldn't have helped him, which it clearly could have helped AA.

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Pretty sure this is wrong, seen as he says the ace couldn't have helped him, which it clearly could have helped AA.

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lol you are levelling I assume?

I don't think he is entitled to be entirely 100% truthful, if he was he may aswell have showed Damon his TT to be nice.

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No, i'm saying KGB had AA. Thats the only hand he can have that the river A couldn't have helped Damon.

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This can't be answered without knowing whether Teddy is the type of player that would call off his stack with a flush in that situation (paired board). If he isn't, then Mike's best move is to call, because he's only going to get called by a hand that beats him. If Teddy IS able to call off his stack with the flush to a paired board, then the move-in was correct.

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No, i'm saying KGB had AA. Thats the only hand he can have that the river A couldn't have helped Damon.

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Or Teddy was saying that, possibly putting Mike on something like A7, trying to get Mike to call the all-in.

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This can't be answered without knowing whether Teddy is the type of player that would call off his stack with a flush in that situation (paired board). If he isn't, then Mike's best move is to call, because he's only going to get called by a hand that beats him. If Teddy IS able to call off his stack with the flush to a paired board, then the move-in was correct.

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he would call with other fullhouses wouldnt he?

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This can't be answered without knowing whether Teddy is the type of player that would call off his stack with a flush in that situation (paired board). If he isn't, then Mike's best move is to call, because he's only going to get called by a hand that beats him. If Teddy IS able to call off his stack with the flush to a paired board, then the move-in was correct.

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he would call with other fullhouses wouldnt he?

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Wrong.

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Having seen this movie way more times than I'm proud of I'll clear up a few points...

KGB's cards were not shown in the final hand...and "slowing down" of the video to see his cards is pointless as he threw the deck and not his hole cards which I'm pretty sure were still sitting in front of him.

-When you speculate about Teddy's hand in the final scene, you must realize that he actually THOUGHT Mike was on a draw...that is why the ace couldn't have helped him...it didn't help any draws...this is just my opinion obviously.

-Anyone playing properly rolled goes broke on the nines full hand 100% of the time...

- It's funny to me that even with all the ridiculous overbets, string bets, amateur table talk, and all around noob play, no one ever talks about the fact that the entire climax of the movie is flawed. They need to go on this "epic" run to make the 15K they need, but we somehow forget that Worm made a quick 8 grand in like 2 hours at the Chesterfield the morning after being released....oh ya, and apparently neither of them sleep...

even still, its one of my favs...did anyone happen to notice that oceans 13 was written by the rounders guys...and notice what Matt Damon's final lines in that movie were?

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- It's funny to me that even with all the ridiculous overbets, string bets, amateur table talk, and all around noob play, no one ever talks about the fact that the entire climax of the movie is flawed. They need to go on this "epic" run to make the 15K they need, but we somehow forget that Worm made a quick 8 grand in like 2 hours at the Chesterfield the morning after being released....oh ya, and apparently neither of them sleep...


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They get their money taken in the cop game.