-$22- Two early pushes, standard to too aggressive?
 

#1

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

SB (t546)
BB (t1244)
UTG (t670)
UTG+1 (t1165)
MP1 (t1515)
MP2 (t940)
Hero (t595)
CO (t575)
Button (t750)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t595 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: t730


#2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter

MP1 (t985)
Hero (t685)
CO (t985)
Button (t1215)
SB (t2010)
BB (t1080)
UTG (t1040)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t685 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t810

Re: -$22- Two early pushes, standard to too aggressive?
 

#1) Call and pray for a set. Not enough in the pot to justify the risk, especially with so many people in it.

#2) I'd fold. Not enough limpers to get the right odds for playing for set value, and this PP is too low to play against multiple opponents.

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Hand #2 is much better than Hand #1.

I thought we had gotten away from PVSing. I am not a big fan of pushing marginal hands with large stack/blind ratios. There's always that one yeehaw that calls with QJ or some [censored]. Add in the times you're actually a 4:1 dog, and it just makes me queasy doing stuff like this.

Hand 2 actually isn't that bad however...meh, I'm ok with it.

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1) A little iffy (even for me). I'd probably just call.

2) A no-brainer, I can't see doing anything else.

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1) A little iffy (even for me). I'd probably just call.


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In relation to the chip stack left to call his all in I would say hand pretty dangerous.
Many of the players left to call him have more chips than him, HOWEVER, they may be too scared to call an all in an risk a good chunk of their chips to call a relatively small stacked all in since they have limped in.
Like stated b4, i would call this and pray for the best.
If i felt the table was fairly passive I would stick with the all in move.

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Hand 1: I agree that it is too risky to push here. Limp, and do the "no set, no bet" deal.
Hand 2: I agree with 45suited... pushing is by far the best option there.

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for the 2nd hand - a push with 13BB from C0+1 is almost surely -EV with 77. its almost impossible to find range for +EV in sngpt. i cant see how a limper helps the situation. i would fold

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2) A no-brainer, I can't see doing anything else.

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really&gt;? this is a no brainer for you? i actually think it is quite close and lean towards folding. i hate pushing into four random hands and one better than random hand here. 13 bbs is short but not too short. could you explain why you think this is so obvious... i must be off my game. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

ps. what is your standard move here without a limper?

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hey 1c5

i really dont like either and i will look for a better spot when the blinds get bigger. when i was in the 22s i did these pushes a lot and i found that i got killed. but to be honest if you change both these hands to AK i like the pushes, is that bad?

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yes wouldnt this make you extremely predictable?

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Dont really like either of them.

First hand I think is the best of the two, but your hand is a little weak given you position. I think I may have made that play in the SB or BB.

I dont like hand two that much either. I think you position is to weak to make this play.

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I think both are fine (as in +EV). People fold so often to these pushes that it is possible that you can make both these pushes with any two cards and it will profitable moves.

I'd rather do it with 99-JJ of course but here you are so shortstacked and the money already in the pot will really help you in both cases.

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The 55 isn't +EV in my opinion, I don't like it one bit.
The 77 I like though and probably would do the same.

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The 55 isn't +EV in my opinion, I don't like it one bit.
The 77 I like though and probably would do the same.

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Agreed. The first hand you're still getting proper odds to call and play for a set. I think the second hand is fine.

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i cant see how a limper helps the situation. i would fold

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The limper adds 50 chips to the pot.

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The 55 isn't +EV in my opinion, I don't like it one bit.
The 77 I like though and probably would do the same.

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I'd be surprised if hero is called even 1 time out of 4 in hand one in the 22s. I am fairly certain it is +EV.