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I know this is probably going to end up being a bunch of rank speculation, but what do you guys think some of the top pros are worth?

On HSP the other night, they played a preview of Doyle talking about next week's episode where the buyin is a $500k minimum. He said that everybody in that game (presumably including himself) was playing too high except for that billionaire Guy Liberte, and that got me to thinking about how much Doyle, Ivey, Reese, and some of those other pros are worth.

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I cant imagine 500k being too high for Doyle or Barry. They both have to be worth over 10 mil.

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I cant imagine 500k being too high for Doyle or Barry. They both have to be worth over 10 mil.

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answer-- often negative, rarely more than $3mill. a poker player worth over 1mill is considered pretty flush. it's much different than the real world... from what i gather, normal people who have a mill sweat over whether their portfolio returns 8% or 11% for the year, and are generally guarded about their spending. it's not unusual for a poker player who's running high to spend 600-1mill in cash over a year in bellagio bills and the like. in london at the wsop europe, a lot of poker players were staying in rooms that cost $800+/night.... expenses in the 15-20k range for a 2week stretch were not uncommon. --ba

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yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. i don't think there are all that many poker pros who are worth more than a couple million.

the guys that have the real money are the guys who have great business deals (hellmuth), pieces of the online poker sites, or to a lesser extent, play regularly with the super wealthy in private games.

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yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. i don't think there are all that many poker pros who are worth more than a couple million.

the guys that have the real money are the guys who have great business deals (hellmuth), pieces of the online poker sites, or to a lesser extent, play regularly with the super wealthy in private games.

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Is this a thinly veiled brag Taylor?

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Obviously Doyle is saying that to make even more hype around the show, even though it's the truth for some of them

Lineup:
Antonio Esfandiari <- I'd guess about $2-3 mill
Sam Farha <- Probably worth $10 mill+
David Benyamine <- -$$$
Patrik Antonius <- Probably worth $10 mill+
Guy Laliberté <- billionaire
Jamie Gold <- PROBABLY worth $10 mill+
Doyle Brunson <- Probably worth $10 mill+
Barry Greenstein <- Probably worth $10 mill+

BR is another case, I'd say people have action (40%+) in David Benyamine (who in this lineup!?), Barry Greenstein and Antonio Esfandiari

Comments are welcome

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Gee who would have guessed Caby would show up in this thread.

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I don't think 500k is playing too high for these guys, they have played in games higher than this. The only person that shouldn't be playing is jamie gold, but he said the only reason he played is because he did so well on the days before. And doesn't DN play in this and he recently did his 500k challenge with players this year so it would be hard to think that he doesn't have the bankroll for this game.

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Gee who would have guessed Caby would show up in this thread.

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thanks for the scarcasim but TC does make a valid point and it most likely correct

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in before "a cool million"

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You do understand that most of these guys sell off most the action

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You do understand that most of these guys sell off most the action

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I do, which is why i agree with BA and TC's statements about what poker players are really worth, But i think with this lineup, that most but not all can afford to play at these stakes,

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yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. i don't think there are all that many poker players that call themselves pros who are worth more than a ONE million.
the guys that have the real money are the guys who have great business' as well deals (hellmuth), pieces of the online poker sites, or to a lesser extent, play regularly with the super wealthy in private games.

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I would even take a shot betting the UNDER on that assumption.There are WAAAY too many naive estimations of a poker players networth based on internet BS they hear,or want to believe based on poker earnings alone IMO

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Brad Booth is worth approximately 1 million "cool millions"

He is a very rich man, ladies and gentlemen.

Actually you might be intersted in knowing that i watched this "High Stakes Poker" tv show one time and actually watched mr. Brad Booth buy into said tv show with a Cool Million.

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Obviously Doyle is saying that to make even more hype around the show, even though it's the truth for some of them

Lineup:
Antonio Esfandiari <- I'd guess about $2-3 mill
Sam Farha <- Probably worth $10 mill+
David Benyamine <- -$$$
Patrik Antonius <- Probably worth $10 mill+
Guy Laliberté <- billionaire
Jamie Gold <- PROBABLY worth $10 mill+
Doyle Brunson <- Probably worth $10 mill+
Barry Greenstein <- Probably worth $10 mill+

BR is another case, I'd say people have action (40%+) in David Benyamine (who in this lineup!?), Barry Greenstein and Antonio Esfandiari

Comments are welcome

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Antonio Esfandiari <- I'd think has 0% of himself here.
Sam Farha <- DEFINITELY? worth $10m+
David Benyamine <- Already on PA's stake by the time this was filmed?
Patrik Antonius <- Probably worth $10m+
Guy Laliberté <- Billionaire
Jamie Gold <- Most definitely NOT worth $10m wtf? where would he have gotten it from
Doyle Brunson <- Net-worth of $10m+ prob but I would def. think he's no-where near rolled for any of his gambling.
Barry Greenstein <- Same as Doyle

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youll never4 know because you will never find out about investments they make outside of poker.

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everyone underestimates how much gamble these guys have with their net worth, and overestimate their worth/earnings

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Didn't "BloodsweatandTears" Say that in order to play comfortably you need 100 buy ins. 500k x 100 = 500million BR. I guess everyone is under rolled for this game besides Guy Laliberte. Doyle is right!

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Obviously Doyle is saying that to make even more hype around the show, even though it's the truth for some of them

Lineup:
Antonio Esfandiari <- I'd guess about $2-3 mill
Sam Farha <- Probably worth $10 mill+
David Benyamine <- -$$$
Patrik Antonius <- Probably worth $10 mill+
Guy Laliberté >> billionaire
Jamie Gold <- PROBABLY worth $10 mill+
Doyle Brunson <- Probably worth $10 mill+
Barry Greenstein <- Probably worth $10 mill+

BR is another case, I'd say people have action (40%+) in David Benyamine (who in this lineup!?), Barry Greenstein and Antonio Esfandiari

Comments are welcome

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The above player in bold,is the ONLY player that is 100% accurate.I cannot even fathom how any of these other estimates were obtained,accurate,or verified?

As stated by Doyle,...Guy is the ONLY one that should truly be putting up this kind of money/can afford to play these stakes next week on HSP

I would agree with his opinion as well [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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i agree with DefiNe - i don't think jamie is worth anywhere near 10M. also, where does sammy's money come from?

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Obviously Doyle is saying that to make even more hype around the show, even though it's the truth for some of them

Lineup:
Antonio Esfandiari <- I'd guess about $2-3 mill
Sam Farha <- Probably worth $10 mill+
David Benyamine <- -$$$
Patrik Antonius <- Probably worth $10 mill+
Guy Laliberté >> billionaire
Jamie Gold <- PROBABLY worth $10 mill+
Doyle Brunson <- Probably worth $10 mill+
Barry Greenstein <- Probably worth $10 mill+

BR is another case, I'd say people have action (40%+) in David Benyamine (who in this lineup!?), Barry Greenstein and Antonio Esfandiari

Comments are welcome

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The above player in bold,is the ONLY player that is 100% accurate.I cannot even fathom how any of these other estimates were obtained,accurate,or verified?

As stated by Doyle,...Guy is the ONLY one that should truly be putting up this kind of money/can afford to play these stakes next week on HSP

I would agree with his opinion as well [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I definitely think PA, Ivey and Doyle are good for 10m$.. They've won an insane amount of money.

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Didn't "BloodsweatandTears" Say that in order to play comfortably you need 100 buy ins. 500k x 100 = 500million BR. I guess everyone is under rolled for this game besides Guy Laliberte. Doyle is right!

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lol. awesome maths

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Jamie Gold must have a damn deathwish with regards to his own money to sit in a game that size with that line-up. The only guy in that game that I don't think is a significant favorite to Gold is Guy (and I doubt Guy is anything but a small dog to Gold).

I'm sure Gold's selling some of his action, but my question is, who the hell is buying it in this game?

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everyone underestimates how much gamble these guys have with their net worth, and overestimate their worth/earnings

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This is a very accurate observation.

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yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. i don't think there are all that many poker pros who are worth more than a couple million.

the guys that have the real money are the guys who have great business deals (hellmuth), pieces of the online poker sites, or to a lesser extent, play regularly with the super wealthy in private games.

tc

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Is this a thinly veiled brag Taylor?

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i wish, but no. i'm talking about businesses or sponsorships that are making much more than i or any internet player is making from poker/poker related projects.

tc

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Brad Booth is worth approximately 1 million "cool millions"

He is a very rich man, ladies and gentlemen.

Actually you might be intersted in knowing that i watched this "High Stakes Poker" tv show one time and actually watched mr. Brad Booth buy into said tv show with a Cool Million.

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HAHAHA OMG LMAO!!!1!!1

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Brad Booth is worth approximately whatever Guy lets him barrow

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Guy Laliberté >> billionaire


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The above player in bold,is the ONLY player that is 100% accurate.I cannot even fathom how any of these other estimates were obtained,accurate,or verified?


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Amen. We can write theorize into the next century how much we 'think' ppl are worth but never know concrete figures on ppl's BR or how it's managed or how much of their action is staked etc. And as stated in previous replies, net worth != BR. That kind of thinking is for morans imobbq.

Topic should really be: Theorize what you THINK big name pro's BRs are.

Any of you personal bankers for any of these guys? Doubt it. And if you are, want to risk your job for a bunch of railtards? (see previous answer)

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lol. awesome maths

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Guy Laliberté >> billionaire


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The above player in bold,is the ONLY player that is 100% accurate.I cannot even fathom how any of these other estimates were obtained,accurate,or verified?


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Amen. We can write theorize into the next century how much we 'think' ppl are worth but never know concrete figures on ppl's BR or how it's managed or how much of their action is staked etc. And as stated in previous replies, net worth != BR. That kind of thinking is for morans imobbq.

Topic should really be: Theorize what you THINK big name pro's BRs are.

Any of you personal bankers for any of these guys? Doubt it. And if you are, want to risk your job for a bunch of railtards? (see previous answer)

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in short, we should remove the word "gossip" from this forum's title? well played.

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Brad Booth is worth approximately 1 million "cool millions"

He is a very rich man, ladies and gentlemen.

Actually you might be intersted in knowing that i watched this "High Stakes Poker" tv show one time and actually watched mr. Brad Booth buy into said tv show with a Cool Million.

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so old and so stupid.

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As another poster touched on, BR requirements are usually quite a bit higher that the 20 BI figure that always gets thrown around.

In this case, I can't fathom what kind of BR a player in this particular game would need, but I'd bet it's pretty high. I don't know what kind of edges they have on each other, but I suspect they're pretty good over this billionare.

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Jamie Gold must have a damn deathwish with regards to his own money to sit in a game that size with that line-up. The only guy in that game that I don't think is a significant favorite to Gold is Guy (and I doubt Guy is anything but a small dog to Gold).

I'm sure Gold's selling some of his action, but my question is, who the hell is buying it in this game?

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i wouldnt under estimate Guy in these short sessions.

fundamentally, jamie has been playing better, but still, he'd be better suited to keep his mouth shut and not give off so many tells against this line up.

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I don't think 500K should be considered 1 buyin. If they're playing 500/100/100 it's not 1 buyin (I wouldn't say 5 either).
I'm preety sure most of these guys sold over 50% of their action

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I cant imagine 500k being too high for Doyle or Barry. They both have to be worth over 10 mil.

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SINCE WHEN DOES NETWORTH = BANKROLL

GOD BAN ME FROM NVG ONCE AND FOR ALL SO I DON'T HAVE TO KEEP SEEING WHY IT'S THE CESSPOOL FOR HUMAN MISINFORMATION

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I can't ban you just from NVG, but if you would like, I can ban you from all of 2+2. Let me know.

Regards,
--jman220

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i think that most pros think in terms of bankroll=net worth. i know that i lump it all together. there are a few very disciplined types that seperate the two, but that isn't the usual story. also, i think that most gamblers lump unpaid debts into the 'asset' category when determining their net worth, when in fact many of these debts should be listed at a big discount. lending money is just such a bad idea. --ba

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Lot of blah blah about this 500k buy-in game but it isn`t much different then the last few episodes of the last season.

The blinds are the same (with mandatory straddle but players were straddling most of the time every season so far anyway)

There was over 4mill at the table last season.
Brad - 1 mill, PA 500k , Ivey and David 300k each etc etc.

The only thing out of ordinary in next week game is the rich fish and I`m sure all of the Pros will be gunning for him and stay out of marginal situations against each other.

I think it`s silly to bring such a great source of income like Guy and humiliate him on TV when he is losing millions to them online and live already.

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Phil Ivey: 200 cool 1 million's

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Didn't "BloodsweatandTears" Say that in order to play comfortably you need 100 buy ins. 500k x 100 = 500million BR. I guess everyone is under rolled for this game besides Guy Laliberte. Doyle is right!

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lol. awesome maths

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lmao