[NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

BB is 19/17/8, looks very aggro, probably from 2+2.
CO is a TAG.
I am a TAG, almost nit (19/16).

Of course, when I 4 bets this small (to induce shove), I am snap calling a push.

Standard ?

No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($549.50)
MP ($238.80)
CO ($425)
Button ($64)
SB ($651)
BB ($457.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $12, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $56</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $140</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $457.8</font>

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

yeah pretty much

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

yes

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

Your four bet isn't small. You're going to either 4 bet to around this size or shove. Hand looks super standard, particularly if BB is a known light squeezer.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

These plays I hate.

I guarantee your behind here.
How often are you going to be ahead? I would say almost never.


What hands would he push that we beat?

I guarantee you he has KK, AA here.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

it's fine
if you 4bet light ever this is my preferred line
obviously calling too

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

I don't like the idea of inducing a shove, rather 4bet more to discourage a shove.

Currently I am experimenting with just right out 4bet shoving in those spots. My range for those shoves would be AK and half of QQ-KK.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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These plays I hate.

I guarantee your behind here.
How often are you going to be ahead? I would say almost never.


What hands would he push that we beat?

I guarantee you he has KK, AA here.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post12701917

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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These plays I hate.

I guarantee your behind here.
How often are you going to be ahead? I would say almost never.


What hands would he push that we beat?

I guarantee you he has KK, AA here.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post12701917

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What does that have to do with this?

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

not much other than your sn is automatically attached to that thread in my mind

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

Good. Putting him on KK+ here is wrong.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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Good. Putting him on KK+ here is wrong.

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I doubt it.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

No way, this is sooo standard.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

OP,

Can you please give us Villans hand.

I will bet any one of these people he has QQ,KK,AA.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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Good. Putting him on KK+ here is wrong.

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I doubt it.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&amp;vc=1

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Good. Putting him on KK+ here is wrong.

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I doubt it.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&amp;vc=1

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lol

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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OP,

Can you please give us Villans hand.

I will bet any one of these people he has QQ,KK,AA.

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lol you're a moron

edit: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&amp;vc=1

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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OP,

Can you please give us Villans hand.

I will bet any one of these people he has QQ,KK,AA.

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Had this been .5/1 I would agree. At 2/4 your comment is really stupid. And since this was posted, chances of OP losing the hand increased by 1000%.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

So OP, can you show these fools I am right?

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

Very standard.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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So OP, can you show these fools I am right?

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And incidentally, against a range consisting of QQ+, calling is hardly -EV at all. Add AK which is most def in 95% of villains ranges and it's a no brainer call.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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So OP, can you show these fools I am right?

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Can you please stop being retarded?

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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OP,

Can you please give us Villans hand.

I will bet any one of these people he has QQ,KK,AA.

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I call quickly, he had JJ, and of course, I am a deep [censored] in coin flip...

ty for answers

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So OP, can you show these fools I am right?

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no one ever posts hands where the dude shows up with QQ and then wins the flip. so you know this is a checkup. But just because there's a good chance that this particular hand ended with villain having KK+ doesn't mean that the play isn't fine.

edit: too late and wrong... but right at the same time

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

LOLOL

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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OP,

Can you please give us Villans hand.

I will bet any one of these people he has QQ,KK,AA.

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this is wrong but his range should be very polarized here.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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OP,

Can you please give us Villans hand.

I will bet any one of these people he has QQ,KK,AA.

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this is wrong but his range should be very polarized here.

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Either I don't understand what polarized means or I disagree.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

the pot is offering 2:1. around 600 in the pot we have to call 310
if we put the player on JJ+;AK we have 40-60 % equity
if he has KK,AK. 37-63 %.
but i he makes this play with QQ+, you have only 30-70%
against KK+ its 18-82 % desaster
i gave him the QQ+ (maybe KK+) so there is no call here.
we need 33% for a call ....

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

Why is shoving here wrong?

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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the pot is offering 2:1. around 600 in the pot we have to call 310
if we put the player on JJ+;AK we have 40-60 % equity
if he has KK,AK. 37-63 %.
but i he makes this play with QQ+, you have only 30-70%
against KK+ its 18-82 % desaster
i gave him the QQ+ (maybe KK+) so there is no call here.
we need 33% for a call ....

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Against QQ+ we have 31% equity which makes it a slightly bad call. Since that range is ridic tight and should only be used to make my point we have way more equity than that. It's a no brainer call. Stop being retards.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

4 betting is fine, but just calling and making some plays post flop will put opp in a tougher spot imo.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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the pot is offering 2:1. around 600 in the pot we have to call 310
if we put the player on JJ+;AK we have 40-60 % equity
if he has KK,AK. 37-63 %.
but i he makes this play with QQ+, you have only 30-70%
against KK+ its 18-82 % desaster
i gave him the QQ+ (maybe KK+) so there is no call here.
we need 33% for a call ....

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Against QQ+ we have 31% equity which makes it a slightly bad call. Since that range is ridic tight and should only be used to make my point we have way more equity than that. It's a no brainer call. Stop being retards.

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not my fight but keep in mind...

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I am a TAG, almost nit (19/16).


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Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

ROFMAO at this thread, this is sooo standard. Definitely do not fold after you 4-bet. If this had been button steal vs. resteal I might call occasionally in position, but with a player in the middle you have to 4-bet/call a shove.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

exactly he is tight:
AK - AA: 7-93 % equity
AK - KK: 30-70
AK - QQ: 43-57
AK - JJ: 43-57
43% is not a coin flip.
dont like that play against a tight opponent its a loser.

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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So OP, can you show these fools I am right?

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/po...oard=microplnl

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

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So OP, can you show these fools I am right?

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he had JJ,

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lol

Re: [NL400] AK vs squeeze, std ?
 

his range isnt polarized bc sometimes he turns AJ into a bluff as well as 56

either way this is super standard...wtf at 12 open uTG though?