$27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

Hey. I have no idea how to play this. I have already made a bubble pwning shove and btn thinks I'm a moron. I can definitely see him calling my BB shove (then SB shorty mucks). I don't want this to happen. I figure min raise probably doesn't get exploited by btn at all (he won't reshove b/c he's so intent on eliminating SB). I min raised to get shorty all in pre and to allow me to get all in on A/K/diamond flops... How is turn when I pick up nfd? Sorry for all the explanation. I just like to verbalize my thought process.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t600 with t50 antes (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t2390)
Button (t6260)
SB (t1140)
Hero (t3710)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Button calls t600, SB calls t300, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1200</font>, Button calls t600, SB calls t490 (All-in)

Flop: (t4290) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: (t4290) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t2460 (All-in)</font>, Button calls t2460

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

Check turn bet river if diamond.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

I push preflop all day.

Why bet turn if you want to eliminate the short-guy? I check again.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

Yeah i dont see any value in shoving the turn, i think you can call if he is the agressor, but might as well have two hands trying to get itm. You should only be folding the hands you beat, and not allowing them to draw out on sb if he is currently winning.

AK or d on riv u can bet

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

Why do you not push preflop here?

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

I don't push pre b/c I think btn is going to call me, then sb folds. BTN is a loose player and saw me do an isolation bubble shove earlier and called me a fool, hence I think I'm going to get spite called.

I figured I was going to call a turn shove by btn anyways, so why not shove turn. I don't see villain w/ a pocket pair here. The hand would've played out the same way (I shove, he called, I bricked out), but that's not the point. C/c turn getting like 3-1 is better I guess.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

What is wrong with doubling through button?

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

I don't want to get it in 60-40 or 45-55 when SB is soo short and it's on the bubble.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

What range do you put him on? I think you are way ahead.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

I don't remember his stats and are too lazy to look them up, but 22-TT, A8s+, ATo+, QT+, KT+, JTs. I think he might spite call me here too... I would shove no problem if there wasn't a large difference between my stack and his. I am ahead almost all of the time here, but am not sure if it's worth the risk with Sb so short and btn potentially spite calling me (with race hands or 60/40s).

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

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Check turn bet river if diamond.

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Agreed. And I think the preflop minraise is good.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

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I push preflop all day.

Why bet turn if you want to eliminate the short-guy? I check again.

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Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

Pushing preflop can get you into a crappy mess esp vs a loose player like him. Just check the turn plzzzzz.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

The minraise preflop is pretty clearly the best play IMO, you get to see both players action and force the small blind to get all in against two players or fold to less than 1BB but not get yourself into bad situations where you are all in and the short stack is folding preflop.

As for the turn, definitley check and see if you hit the river.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

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The minraise preflop is pretty clearly the best play IMO, you get to see both players action and force the small blind to get all in against two players or fold to less than 1BB but not get yourself into bad situations where you are all in and the short stack is folding preflop.

As for the turn, definitley check and see if you hit the river.

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Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

loose moron right?
shove'm in there pre...

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

his willing to check down the flop.. why shove the turn?
if he had the Q he's gonna call ur shove, if u check he probably would check it down to, even he had the Q, considering theres short stack all-in... worst case he'd shove u on the turn, well good let'm took the short stack, u still have 2k more and still able to play 3 handed with enough open push FE... IMO

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Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

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Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

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After reading all of the replies I think your best line is to get the best poker bonus mentioned above.

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Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

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loose moron right?
shove'm in there pre...

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Getting called by a loose moron with two live cards without the shorty in the hand is the worst possible thing that could happen.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

why would you push a dead pot?

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

I think the most important question you can ask yourself is whether you would have played the hand the same way if the villain wasn't a jerk. I often find myself second guessing myself and pulling unorthodox moves against people who rub me up the wrong way.

As said above, I think the min raise is a really good move, the turn maybe slightly off.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

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Check turn bet river if diamond.

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Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

Min raise looks like the best line IMO, if shorty is willing to complete pre, it would be really stupid of him to fold to the min raise if BTN is calling.

You should really be looking to check this own, there isn't much point betting this turn, as you are wanting shorty out the game/hand this would be best done vs. 2 opponents. if a diamond does fall on the river, against a loose moron id prob instashove to making it look like a bluff and hope fully he would come along with any Q.

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

Good idea preflop, but don't you want to check down?

Re: $27 AKdd on the bubble with loose moron limping btn vs SB shorty
 

I figure SB can have pretty much ATC here and doesn't have to have a pair and BTN may fold some pairs that are ahead of me.

Checking down is ok though, I just figured if I'm beat (against either of the 2) I still have a lot of outs. I guess I was being too aggro.