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Chizoad 10-26-2007 05:13 PM

Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
I'm pretty new to NL (longtime limit player) so this probably falls under typical play.

I'm in early position with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in a $1-2 blinds game. UTG, very laggy player, limps in. I make it $9 to go, only he calls.

Flop is A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. He leads $20 into me, a play I'd seen him make before with a weak ace against another preflop raiser. He has $40 left, I have him covered. Given the draw on the board, what's the best line against a player like this?

Chargers In 07 10-26-2007 05:17 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
With only 30bbs postflop just shove with TPTK. Your push is going to give him ~2.5:1 so he's not folding anything he bets with.

Chizoad 10-26-2007 05:27 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
You're telling me he wouldn't fold A3 or something for $40 more? I think most players who have a hand that weak when faced with "an obvious AK" would fold there. Could be my inexperience with NL though.

Effen 10-26-2007 05:32 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
LOL @ him folding A3. That's top pair, Aces! Seriously, put him in.

el_grande 10-26-2007 07:07 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
shove is standard.

his stack is only about 3x the pot on the flop. you want to play for his stack with TPTK, especially since he is a LAG.

fortunatley for you he just committed himself so getting it all in is easy.

Brimstead 10-26-2007 07:11 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
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You're telling me he wouldn't fold A3 or something for $40 more? I think most players who have a hand that weak when faced with "an obvious AK" would fold there. Could be my inexperience with NL though.

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he can't fold, he's put close to half his stack in, he's committed.

AlexB182 10-26-2007 07:16 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
I've played like only 12h of live poker last weakend but I learned A LOT. Just shove here and expect to get called by KJos or some crap here. Really.

jjshabado 10-26-2007 10:37 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
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You're telling me he wouldn't fold A3 or something for $40 more? I think most players who have a hand that weak when faced with "an obvious AK" would fold there. Could be my inexperience with NL though.

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Its not "an obvious AK" to the vast majority of live 1/2 NL players. Thats where you're having problems seeing why shoving is good.

FireStorm 10-26-2007 10:45 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
Get it in because he's pot committed and you want the money in now, as opposed to having to call off $40 on the turn after a diamond/Q/J/T comes off.

Albert Moulton 10-26-2007 11:10 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
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With only 30bbs postflop just shove with TPTK. Your push is going to give him ~2.5:1 so he's not folding anything he bets with.

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QFT.

If he out flopped you, then so be it. Stacks are too short given your "read" on villain as "laggy" to get away from this hand if you are behind. I think you are ahead of his draws and/or other various semi-bluffs and bluffs often enough to push with a +EV.

Rambino 10-26-2007 11:34 PM

Re: Standard line against LAGgy player? 100NL live
 
This is a standard move for LAGs with draws too (speaking as one). Somewhere between a semi-bluff and a dumbass blocking bet. It's possible he has a set/2p, of course, but I'm guessing either draw or weak ace most of the time.

Autopush.


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