Which book to master Omaha H/L ?
 

Hello all,

I'm new in here, but I find the forum very instructive. I'd like to know which book I could buy to master Omaha H/L, as I'm mainly a NL Holdem player.

Thanks for your answers.

McFlan

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Use the search function. This has been discussed many times.

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Mike Cappelatelli (pretty sure spelt that wrong) "How to win at Omaha High Low" is the only one Ive read and its made me a winning cash game and tournament player.

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I think it's going to take more than a book.

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Ray Zee's book is a must read

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Read the reviews on Gergery´s Omaha8.com site, that site is probably as good as any starter book.

Cappelletti´s book has good points but could be confusing.

Zee on Hi/Lo Advanced is clear and not particularly complicated, so after web, forum here, it´s the essential one.

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I found Cappelletti's book to be entertaining, but parts of it read a bit like a brag post. His hand examples are less about walking the reader through difficult decisions, and more about regaling the reader with hands where the board hit him square in the face and he scooped a big pot. It can be confusing because amid all the points about the importance of starting hand selection, you'll find anecdotes like "I was in late position with 2347 and figured I had the potential to hit a big flop, so I called the raise."

This is not a direct quote, and it's a bit of an extreme example, but his hand examples definitely skewed toward seeing a greater number of flops with marginal holdings, and adjusting postflop. Probably sound advice for a pro, but definitely not for a beginner looking to grasp the basics.

I got more out of Bill Boston's Omaha High-Low book, which is low on narrative, but excellent food for thought as you start to learn hand values. He used Wilson Turbo software to break down the win rate for every starting hand, and looking at the breakdowns was very informative. Between the obvious - AA23 double suited has the best winrate, 2222 has the lowest - there are many trap hands that look nice preflop but will lose often in a ring game. I would recommend checking it out... you could probably sift through it in just a couple hours at a Borders or Barnes & Noble.

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You should also check out Steve Badger's website. Lot's of good omaha info.

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Zee's book is good, but you need to read it a couple times and sort of read between the lines sometimes. The best I've read is Baldwin's section in SSII.

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I thought Mark Tanner's book was alright too and you can't go wrong with Baldwin's section in SS 2.
Ray Zee's is probably best overall.

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Interesting posts. I am also looking to improve on my play. I ahve been mainly a holdem player but have always flipped over to Omaha8 for breaks and have done reasonable well. I play mostly pot limit multitable tourneys.
I have a good sense for cards, just looking to fill in the holes, hand values and so on.

It seems Ray Zee's book is highly rated, my only question is does it deal with pot limit or ring games or both.

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Be sure to read all the Frank Jerome articles in the 2+2 magazine. Jerome's work is more soundly quantitative than anything else I've read. He's put up nearly a years worth of very solid work and it would be a shame to miss out on that resource.

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His articles look great but how do I get hold of Parts I and II as they are no longer available on 2+2? Can anyone provide a copy?

Thanks

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I just saw this thread and sent a PM.

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have anyone read the omaha page by Phi Hellmuth in his book?? i was wonder if its worth looking at..

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Matusow's section in the Full Tilt book is also good (for tourneys)

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Be sure to read all the Frank Jerome articles in the 2+2 magazine. Jerome's work is more soundly quantitative than anything else I've read. He's put up nearly a years worth of very solid work and it would be a shame to miss out on that resource.

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Thanks jfk,

I haven't checked the magazine in a while and the articles are excellent. Problem is that I missed out on the first 3 sections... does anyone know where I can get the first 3 articles or how I can contact Frank directly for them?
thanks,

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Thanks jfk,

I haven't checked the magazine in a while and the articles are excellent. Problem is that I missed out on the first 3 sections... does anyone know where I can get the first 3 articles or how I can contact Frank directly for them?
thanks,

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As I mentioned above, take a look at this thread and then PM him.

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Read the reviews on Gergery´s Omaha8.com site,

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Have you a URL for this? Omaha8.com seems to be dead

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Hello all,

I'm new in here, but I find the forum very instructive. I'd like to know which book I could buy to master Omaha H/L, as I'm mainly a NL Holdem player.

Thanks for your answers.

McFlan

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Someone once said that Texas Hold'Em takes a few minutes to learn and a lifetime to master. Given that THE uses two down cards and Omaha uses four down cards, I guess Omaha takes two lifetimes to master. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I don't think that reading a book will enable you to "master" the game. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Given it is not published yet, I have no idea how good it will be, but Shane Smith and Don Vines will have a book on Omaha High-Low coming out next month (according to Amazon). The complete title is Omaha High-Low Poker: How To Win At The Lower Limits.

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thanks guys, great thread!!!... i fired up a NLHE SNG today and it turned out it was omaha hi/lo. i'd never really like omaha, just seemed similar to crazy HE limit, but more confusing... but anyway, the low component to omaha H/L seems to make it pretty enticing. doesn't seem like many people consciously analyze their hand for low value (maybe they think, "hey, 3 and 6 are low cards" but i don't think they really think thru "oh, someone could have A2 in their hand"...... anyway, didn't win too many high pots, but won tons of low ones. of course, i didn't even know the exact rules for qualifying low cards, but i seemed to love it.

no real purpose to my comment other than i'd always disliked OMAHA the few times i've played it, but omaha high/low (omaha 8???) seems fantastic.

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Do you know the rules for a qualifying low hand, now? If you don't, I can explain it in simple english.

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Do you know the rules for a qualifying low hand, now? If you don't I can explain it in simple english.

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i think some of it... 8's and under, and flushes and straights don't count (you wouldn't want them to)... but is A2233 a low hand? pretty sure it's not as the pairs do count. i read that 2222 is one of the worst, if not the worst pre-flop hand.

is my understanding correct?.... i very much appreciate your offer to help (and i may need it.. thanks again [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img])

docTriver. maybe one question i think i may know. but high hands don't have to qualify??? i.e. you can win with two pairs (3's and 5's for instance, although highly unlikely)...

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Do you know the rules for a qualifying low hand, now? If you don't I can explain it in simple english.

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i think some of it... 8's and under, and flushes and straights don't count (you wouldn't want them to)... but is A2233 a low hand? pretty sure it's not as the pairs do count. i read that 2222 is one of the worst, if not the worst pre-flop hand.

is my understanding correct?.... i very much appreciate your offer to help (and i may need it.. thanks again [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img])

docTriver. maybe one question i think i may know. but high hands don't have to qualify??? i.e. you can win with two pairs (3's and 5's for instance, although highly unlikely)...

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As this is getting away from books into strategy, I am going to take this off the board and send you a private message.

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Do you know the rules for a qualifying low hand, now? If you don't I can explain it in simple english.

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i think some of it... 8's and under, and flushes and straights don't count (you wouldn't want them to)... but is A2233 a low hand? pretty sure it's not as the pairs do count. i read that 2222 is one of the worst, if not the worst pre-flop hand.

is my understanding correct?.... i very much appreciate your offer to help (and i may need it.. thanks again [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img])

docTriver. maybe one question i think i may know. but high hands don't have to qualify??? i.e. you can win with two pairs (3's and 5's for instance, although highly unlikely)...

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As this is getting away from books into strategy, I am going to take this off the board and send you a private message.

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fair enough... thanks!!!

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docTriver was right to take our discussion private as some of it was rules...

but can people tell me whether they liked/disliked bobby baldwin's supersystem 2 chapter. it's available free on the internet (and copyright friendly too... message me if you want the link).... anyhow, i loved his limit chapter in SS1 and the O8 chapter looks great on first glance.

thanks in advance!!

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docTriver was right to take our discussion private as some of it was rules...

but can people tell me whether they liked/disliked bobby baldwin's supersystem 2 chapter. it's available free on the internet (and copyright friendly too... message me if you want the link).... anyhow, i loved his limit chapter in SS1 and the O8 chapter looks great on first glance.

thanks in advance!!

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I consider it to be very good.

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I had a good day at the boats and used my winnings to buy some more poker books. As I wanted to add a Omaha Hi/Lo book, I looked through Mike C's book and Bill Boston's book. I ended up getting the Boston book. I bought it for the tables.

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I had a good day at the boats and used my winnings to buy some more poker books. As I wanted to add a Omaha Hi/Lo book, I looked through Mike C's book and Bill Boston's book. I ended up getting the Boston book. I bought it for the tables.

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haven't seen it... but i'm actually a big fan of computer simulation and i think it's based on wilson software (lots of valid criticism, but show me a better simulation tool)

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I had a good day at the boats and used my winnings to buy some more poker books. As I wanted to add a Omaha Hi/Lo book, I looked through Mike C's book and Bill Boston's book. I ended up getting the Boston book. I bought it for the tables.

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haven't seen it... but i'm actually a big fan of computer simulation and i think it's based on wilson software (lots of valid criticism, but show me a better simulation tool)

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Yes, Boston used Wilson software to do analysis on every single possible Omaha hand. Honestly when I first looked at it, I thought the man had too much time on his hands.

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Zee + Boston = Winner

There is very little pot-limit discussion, however, and this seems to be the direction the game is headed for now.

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Zee + Boston = Winner

There is very little pot-limit discussion, however, and this seems to be the direction the game is headed for now.

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pot-limit is the direction... or very little pot-limit is the direction... much appreciated!!

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What Master meant is that the direction of the game is pot limit, but there has been very little discussion about that aspect of the game.

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I just picked up Sammy Farha's new book. At first glance, it looks like a decent primer on Omaha8.