start fl w/ hu
 

hey guys,
i am a realtivly successful midstakes nl player and i maybe want to start playing fl a bit
i played it 1 1/2 year ago seriously but till then never again

i would like to start directly with headspcashgames at stakes of 5/10 - 10/20 because i heard that the rake at lower limits really sucks

i would let me coach from a successful mid-highlimit headsup fl priv. coach

do you think that this could work?

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yes, if you have good instruction this will work.

I happen to believe that if you are starting poker completely from scratch that hu limit would be easiest to teach (a la bot style, or andy beal style)

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yes, if you have good instruction this will work.

I happen to believe that if you are starting poker completely from scratch that hu limit would be easiest to teach (a la bot style, or andy beal style)

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what is "andy beal style"?

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and what is "bot style"?

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andy beal style, as in andy beal learned to play hu limit from scratch, not referring to the style in which he played. Sorry for the confusion

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bot style, as in playing in the style of a bot

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Thanks for the in depth description of bot play. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I will coach you, $500/hr.

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I can tell you a decent strategy that most likely will beat dumb players atleast.

Raise around 90% from sb.

Defend with around 90% of sbs range in bb.

3-bet all hands for value OOP preflop. Cbet atleast flop and turn.

If you call preflop, C/R any flop with gutshot+ and bet to the river.

In position when C/R on the flop. Call with pretty much anything. Raise middlepair+ on the turn.

Obviously the board will make some lines better but this basic strategy will not lose a lot of money while you learn.

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thanks for all your feedback [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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this strategy will put you in the top 20% of midstakes hu limit players

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this strategy will put you in the top 20% of midstakes hu limit players

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the question is know how much % of the players are longterm winners ^^

do you agree that begin playing hu under 5/10 isn't a good idea because of the rake?

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just donkt a few hand on 0.5-1 for fun but this games are never ev+ with the rake taken their oO

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this strategy will put you in the top 20% of midstakes hu limit players

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the question is know how much % of the players are longterm winners ^^

do you agree that begin playing hu under 5/10 isn't a good idea because of the rake?

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well i was being facetious with my statement, that's not really all you need to be in the top 20%, it takes a lot of experience to get good. Unless you are a bot.

Anyway here are things to consider

-in general people don't play hu as well as they do fr. in 2 years this probably won't be the case anymore.

-the rake is lower at most sites for hu play

-your earn rate can be much higher hu. A fantastic earn rate for 10 handed is 2bb/100. A fantastic earn rate for hu is 8bb/100

-watch out for bots.

So i think it is ok to play 5/10 under the right conditions. e.g. you have a lot of rakeback, the rake is small and your opponent is a fish.

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this strategy will put you in the top 20% of midstakes hu limit players

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Sadly this is pretty true. Btw, I'll tell you this, and its worth a lot of money, so even if you dismiss it initially as being too simplistic, come back to it some time and see if I was right after you play several thousand hands:

The key to achieving a high hourly winrate with low risk of ruin at HU limit hold'em is 98% game selection and 2% skill at poker.

-DeathDonkey

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I will coach you, $500/hr.

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Talk about the rake being high? U have to be kidding.