Betfair Poker - More Cheating revolations
 

With the problems at APoker commonly known, how many people were aware of this? This happened amognst the high stakes players 100/200 + and its estimated the refunds were over $1m+. We beleive it's either an inside job or they somehow cracked the RIG? Or given potripper a master acccount?

Here is the confirmation from betfair:

From: Jacob Weinreich <[email protected]>
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 XXXX pm
Subject: Important message from Betfair


Dear XXXXXXXXXXX,



We have identified a fraudulent account which has resulted in the suspension of that account and monies within it being frozen.

We intend to return losses to customers that have lost to the account. The amount due to you is $XX,XXX which will be credited to your account over the next 24 hours.

We have a 50 strong team in our fraud investigation department at Betfair committed to protecting the integrity of all aspects of the site.

Unfortunately we cannot say any more for legal reasons.



If any questions you are welcome to contact me directly.





Kind regards,



Jacob Weinreich



Head of North Europe

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What's stupid is this guy could have got away with it, but it was pretty obvious as he often made hero calls with 9 high etc.. if only he had a little common sense.

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First I've heard of this.
Two sites now? This is getting nauseating.

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yeah this is surely worrying.

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Dont assume a fraudulent account means that this player could see your hole cards.

Think more along the lines of it being an account used to launder money....

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*IF* any of this is true why would it only come out now?


I think all judgement should be held till a a reputable (no offence OP) poster comments

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No way, this guy beat everybody everytime making crazy calls. He could see the cards alright no doubt about it.

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No way, this guy beat everybody everytime making crazy calls. He could see the cards alright no doubt about it.

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Well, I'm convinced!

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No way, this guy beat everybody everytime making crazy calls. He could see the cards alright no doubt about it.

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Well, I'm convinced!

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lol

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looks like a quick way to batter betfairs shareprice to me.

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Does this have to do something with a fake email that has been sent to some highstales players on betfair about one week ago, with a download link of a trojan or whatever it was (dont know exactly since thrad about it got locked pretty quickly, and noticed it yesterday for the first time cause a friend told me)?


Got this email one week ago (of course not clicked or downloaded anything from the link)


Betreff: Betfair Poker: Several different blacklisted I.P's have tried logging in to your Betfair Account and several memorable data and password failure were present.

Von: [email protected]
An: XXX
Datum: 18.10.07


Dear XXX,

This is an automated email , please do not reply.

Betfair Poker Security teams have recently discovered that different blacklisted I.P's have
tried logging in to your Betfair account and several Memorable data and password
failure were present. For Security reasons and to avoid fraudulent activites on your account
please take a minute to download and install the newest betfair security update.

Note: If your using your betfair poker account in more than 1 computer, please install this
critical update on each computer.

Download Url:
http://www.emails-betfair.com/betfai...updXXXXXXX.exe

Failure to do so will cause problems with your Betfair Poker account and immediate account suspension.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Regards,

Bobby
Betfair Poker Security Team

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Please remember never to give out your password or enter
account details over the Internet. Betfair Poker staff will
never ask you for your password. For your security, always
keep this information a secret.

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looks like a quick way to batter betfairs shareprice to me.

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The poker division of betfair is a tiny proportion of its revenue. It think they're more worried about this

And even that wont hurt them in the long term. They have a vice like grip on the betting exchange market.

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Betfair is the best. They decided to close my account and keep all the money that is still in there! Without giving me a reasona dns aying they are not gonna reply to emails or phone calls.
BETFAIR IS THE BEST.

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I know there was a BetFair incident regarding P2P betting on horse races. What ties this email to poker or to the amounts you reference ?

What else do you know, as the email itself confirms very little ? What was the nature of "cheating" you are discussing ?

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There was a player called Vali who seemed to play not like you would expect a higher stakes player to play - yet he beat everyone everytime. It became a bit silly in the end as he never made a mistake (always played HU) and didn't even throw a few pots here and there. We all recieved refunds for the losses. What was clear is that certainly knew what we were holding.

A couple of the players have engaged legal people..not sure where it will lead.

I don't care if you beleive this or not, it's a fact I along with a number of other high stakes players recieved refunds. Betfair should be praised for how they dealt with this but what's concerning is just how safe is on-line poker? And how the hell did this happen? How widespread is this? All very concerning.

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Bad stupid man sends out phishing e-mail with trojan link. Naive gamblers download trojan. Bad stupid man calls them down with 9 high and gets caught. Bad stupid man gets account frozen. Naive gamblers get repaid. Nothing more to see here - move along.

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Here we go again..

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what happened?

I am still banned at betfair because they sent me 3x the cashout I wanted about 2 years ago and I never sent it back, HOLLA!

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Bad stupid man sends out phishing e-mail with trojan link. Naive gamblers download trojan. Bad stupid man calls them down with 9 high and gets caught. Bad stupid man gets account frozen. Naive gamblers get repaid. Nothing more to see here - move along.

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So every high stakes player was a victim of this scam? Possible but unlikely.

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This is why poker needs to be legalized in the US and given over to the major gaming corporations like LVS, Wynn, and MGM. They will not let crap like this or the AP scandal happen.

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This is why poker needs to be legalized in the US and given over to the major gaming corporations like LVS, Wynn, and MGM. They will not let crap like this or the AP scandal happen.

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I'm at a loss why they didn't just do this in the first place...

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This is why poker needs to be legalized in the US and given over to the major gaming corporations like LVS, Wynn, and MGM. They will not let crap like this or the AP scandal happen.

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I foresee Harrahs as the Pacific Poker of the regulated internet

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Dont assume a fraudulent account means that this player could see your hole cards.

Think more along the lines of it being an account used to launder money....

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Yes I frequently Launder money by calling with 9 high. LOL.


""What's stupid is this guy could have got away with it, but it was pretty obvious as he often made hero calls with 9 high etc.. if only he had a little common sense.""

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looks like a quick way to batter betfairs shareprice to me.

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they are not listed

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OP, maybe you should make a post on BBV with some hand-histories. You obv are not going to be taken seriously here.

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Aah, the real reason has been mentioned twice in this thread already and STILL you want to know whats going on?

This DID happen. This WAS a trojan horse type scame (hence always playing heads up) and this story was broken in bbv last week.

This isnt the first time something like this has happened, prolly wont be the last. Dont download random stuff.