Why is Mr Gatorade the most annoying person ever
 

i sit at multiple HU 50 100 tables and he decides to sit at every table im at even though he knows i dont want to play him just so that other people cant sit with me and are forced to sit with him.

all he types is "i want 50" in chat.

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this seems extremely inappropriate and if you reported him to the site I suspect they may take action.
I assume this is at FT?

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this seems extremely inappropriate and if you reported him to the site I suspect they may take action.
I assume this is at FT?

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they can't because mr_g is willing to play hopp and hopp is not willing to play mr_g. so really hopp is doing this to mr_g as well. though i still feel 100% that it's a dick move and i take hopp's side 100 per cent.

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they can't because mr_g is willing to play hopp and hopp is not willing to play mr_g. so really hopp is doing this to mr_g as well. though i still feel 100% that it's a dick move and i take hopp's side 100 per cent.

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They can and they do at Full Tilt. He's not allowed to do it and Full Tilt has told him as much. Once he does it just take a screenshot of him squatting at a bunch of your tables and they'll take care of it.

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its not at fulltilt, its at AP... so they probably wont do anything. i wouldnt report him, i think hes a fine guy irl. but for someone who complains about hit and running and HU ethics he certainly doesnt have very good ethics imo.

he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload. and he does [censored] like this, its just annoying

/ending another rant

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its not at fulltilt, its at AP... so they probably wont do anything. i wouldnt report him, i think hes a fine guy irl. but for someone who complains about hit and running and HU ethics he certainly doesnt have very good ethics imo.

he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload. and he does [censored] like this, its just annoying


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Yeah, Absolute doesn't care. And he's definitely a huge hypocrite when it comes to ethics.

However, it is pretty comical when he's playing someone at 50/100 and he says "reload please, you're below 1k".

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Anyone who DOESNT do this is [censored] stupid

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Anyone who DOESNT do this is [censored] stupid

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This is not true.

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Anyone who DOESNT do this is [censored] stupid

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I'm not 100% sure but i think mntbkr is corrrect on this one. The math is on the side of the 5bb player.

Bryce once mentioned somethin like this...
maybe he could chime in;.

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Anyone who DOESNT do this is [censored] stupid

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This is not true.

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Anyone who DOESNT do this is [censored] stupid

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its absolutely horrible etiquette, like one of the worst things to do IMO. "hey i just won 2k from you but im not gonna play you for your last 200 because it comes down a lot more luck"

i guess if you only care about EV then quitting in this case is probably a good idea... but i mean, it just seems soooo wrong to me. its something that you definitely wouldnt do live, or else you would seem like a huge [censored], but people do it online all the time.

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Anyone who DOESNT do this is [censored] stupid

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I'm not 100% sure but i think mntbkr is corrrect on this one. The math is on the side of the 5bb player.

Bryce once mentioned somethin like this...
maybe he could chime in;.

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I HAVE watched many HU specialists..and many dont do this.

Maybe its just me, I get pretty tilted when there 5 BB starts to turn into more on BS hands. Perhaps if you can handle it the math works out....but I cant imagine its not close

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Anyone who DOESNT do this is [censored] stupid

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I'm not 100% sure but i think mntbkr is corrrect on this one. The math is on the side of the 5bb player.

Bryce once mentioned somethin like this...
maybe he could chime in;.

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so would/does bryce quit someone he just won 20, 30, 40 bbs off if they only have 5 left?

A. i highly doubt this
B. it seems dumb considering possible loss of action in the future
C. i still think it just seems/feels wrong

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I don't do it because if someone did it to me I would be really upset. It may be neutral ev but to me it's incredibly unsporting to stop playing at that point.

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As long as the 5BB player won't quit until they are bust, the other player has an edge, and the rake is small, the winning player is favored. You have to factor in the future +EV situations you will gain if the small stack play favors the 5BB player.

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I don't do it because if someone did it to me I would be really upset. It may be neutral ev but to me it's incredibly unsporting to stop playing at that point.

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I dont have a problem with it in this sense because the one who cant reload are the ones who were gonna take 5 BB from me and leave

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Yeah but they also probably lose money playing poker overall.

I hate getting hit and run but I've come to terms with it. I think a losing player has every right to do it, I also think he should be able to play down to his last bbs.

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Ehhh, Now im torn on the issue

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they can't because mr_g is willing to play hopp and hopp is not willing to play mr_g. so really hopp is doing this to mr_g as well. though i still feel 100% that it's a dick move and i take hopp's side 100 per cent.

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They can and they do at Full Tilt. He's not allowed to do it and Full Tilt has told him as much. Once he does it just take a screenshot of him squatting at a bunch of your tables and they'll take care of it.

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Back to this issue for a sec.
It's obviously not just a matter of "he'll play you but you won't play him." It's way more than that. He's following him to every single table he's on. He has a right to decline to not play that guy without being stalked or shut-out of practically every game on the site.

If they don't stop heads-up 'stalkers' like this then essentially you end up with a situation where they are chasing each other around from table to table which is ridiculous.

And indeed FT has done something about this in the past. If a guy is sitting on 6 HU tables and doesn't want to play Mr.G then Mr.G shouldn't be allowed to take up the seat on all 6 of that players tables as some weird form of revenge or shutting-out.

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Anyone who DOESNT do this is [censored] stupid

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This is not true.

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i never used to do it cuz i always considered it kind of [censored] up to just quit someone and leave them with less than a buy in especially after a long session or if im up a lot, but then i lost 280k in 45 min and learned my lesson about playing people with 5bb

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Anyone who DOESNT do this is [censored] stupid

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This is not true.

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i never used to do it cuz i always considered it kind of [censored] up to just quit someone and leave them with less than a buy in especially after a long session or if im up a lot, but then i lost 280k in 45 min and learned my lesson about playing people with 5bb

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In 5bb chunks? I mean seroiusly...

JT

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You don't know that they are down to the last 5BB's in their whole acct.
They could just be refusing to reload because they like the advantage of having the short-stack...and then they plan on reloading if they lose the short-stack.

So I don't think it's such a horrible thing to sit-out when the opponent gets down to 5BB's.

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so someone explain to me how having 5bbs is an advantage?
dont effective stacks make their no advantage?

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so someone explain to me how having 5bbs is an advantage?
dont effective stacks make their no advantage?

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I'm not sure if this is right, but say you look at it this way. 55% of the time you're going to win. Those times you win an average of 5BB. Say the other 45%, you're average loss is 7BB though. Over all, in this case, you would lose.

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Well my stand is this....

#1... If You dont play me then you should not be able to have your own table and wait for the fish to play you instead of me. I took this stand on FTP and am critisized so much about it that FTP made 15 tables of HU instead of the 4 and told me I can sit but not follow. I follow this rule because I have to respect there position but do not agree. On absolute and UB they agree with me on this issue but the more important issue of bots are simply ignored. This will change soon as the "media" is about to get involved. More to come on this later.

#2... 5bb is a simple rule that I have utilized in the respect of avoiding hit and runs. I have played over a million hands and thousends of hours all heads up. Its been my experience that hit and runners will utilize the small "short stack" style and then hit and run on me. As most of you know I absolutly HATE hit and runners so this is how I prevent it. The downside to this is I am losing value to horrible players but most horrible players that wont reload are intending to hit and run me in the first place. I also lose the have to go bust before reloading and lose potential income to this but i feel its a risk i take to prevent hit and runners.

#3... I have the reputation to drop 10-20K at a drop because I dont quit people and have huge ego. This has caused me hundreds of thousends of dollars all I ask is people to do the same and that is why I ask for them to reload. Why put me at risk for losing lots if they wont do the same.

#4... I know most seems like this is unethical and not right but I disagree. For many that have met me in real life knows first and formost I am one of the most trusting and honest people they will ever meet. This is why I love 10-20k freezeouts live so all this "unethical" talk simple cant happen. I am simply protecting my own interests since I am no longer in the Navy and this is my only source of income.

-Crazy Mike

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Leaving aside the moral question, what if some one retaliates by following you around and sitting out in all your tables? Isn't this kind of mutually assured destruction? You don't let them play. So they don't let you play, and you both lose your chance to play fish.

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Leaving aside the moral question, what if some one retaliates by following you around and sitting out in all your tables? Isn't this kind of mutually assured destruction? You don't let them play. So they don't let you play, and you both lose your chance to play fish.

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depends who has more money in their account...

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its especially dumb for you to do this mike because neither of us are good enough compared to the other HU to make playing worthwhile. the rake would probably win.

though i am up like 2k on you lifetime!

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Dont forget your trust fund

On a seperate note, Im going to laugh my ass off when the thread titled "Proof that Mr Gatorade is running a bot" comes

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i used to agree with you however, i have found that over and over again, given the oppertunity the other player will and it seems try to [censored] me right up the ass. so now my position is unless they are totally horrible and are a reg. i will do whatever i think is best for my short term interests.

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As usual Mike is half retarded and half exactly right. Stalking people is stupid, wanting them to reload is not. I don't understand what the mystery is about not wanting to play people with like 2-5 bets, it's pretty obvious that if they get it in on the flop or turn then the advantage one has on big bet streets is nullified. It's so simple and obvious that I feel as if I must be getting leveled because I don't think I should have to point it out.

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As usual Mike is half retarded and half exactly right. Stalking people is stupid, wanting them to reload is not. I don't understand what the mystery is about not wanting to play people with like 2-5 bets, it's pretty obvious that if they get it in on the flop or turn then the advantage one has on big bet streets is nullified. It's so simple and obvious that I feel as if I must be getting leveled because I don't think I should have to point it out.

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This was sorta my thinking too...but it seems were a minority

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As usual Mike is half retarded and half exactly right. Stalking people is stupid, wanting them to reload is not. I don't understand what the mystery is about not wanting to play people with like 2-5 bets, it's pretty obvious that if they get it in on the flop or turn then the advantage one has on big bet streets is nullified. It's so simple and obvious that I feel as if I must be getting leveled because I don't think I should have to point it out.

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im not arguing that you are giving up an edge, im arguing that it is WRONG in a moral sense or etiquette wise

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Yes, a 5BB stack will pretty much negate any advantage you have.

But if you play them, and they double up, you now have put yourself in a +ev situation against a larger stack that you wouldn't have if you quit.

So your expectation against the short stack isn't just -rake, it also includes future hands with larger edges if they double up.

If they are going to run if they hit, or if you can immediately find an equally juicy opponent, then you should leave. Otherwise, it's worth it to play against a poor 5BB stack.

I recently came to this conclusion. I used to demand reload when an opponent dropped below 8BB.

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he quits people after taking most of their money if they get below 5 bbs and if they cant reload.


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Considering how about 70% of the people i play HUHU sit with 10bbs and gladly leave when they lose them to me, i'm gonna side with ST here.

It used to tilt me too when they would win like 15 bbs back after i 4-bet him AIPF with my K3 vs. his 38 and he takes it down but then i realized that i should just stop tilting because this guy terrible and i'm getting these dollars.

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fwiw I am a huge ethics nit in poker and while I agree that it's a little douchey to just sit out and say "reload" I do not think it's unethical at all. Either player can quit any time they want, any player can ask for the other player to accept certain conditions or the match is over.

When I play HU I play as long as they have money in front of them and I can remember far too many times when someone randomly turns like 1-3BB into 100BB while I can't remember too many times that their 1-3BB turned into -100BB so I understand not wanting to play these people. I sometimes wish I would sit out and tell them to reload.

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so someone explain to me how having 5bbs is an advantage?
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I'm not sure if this is right, but say you look at it this way. 55% of the time you're going to win. Those times you win an average of 5BB. Say the other 45%, you're average loss is 7BB though. Over all, in this case, you would lose.

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How do you lose 7 BB on average? If you're referring to the average amount lost over the duration of the session, then it will be higher. But you're going to win the 5 BB way way more than 55% of the time in that case.

Simple model:
You win his 5 BB right off the bat 52% of the time and he doubles up right away 48% of the time. (You have a small edge b/c you know how to play a short stack better than him.) Those times he has a 10 BB stack, you're going to bust him anyway about 54% of the time (assuming for simplicity that the game is a freezeout). (You have a larger edge with the larger stack.)

The end result is you're going to win those 5 BBs most of the time and every once you're going to run horrible and lose dozens of BBs. In the end, you still show a profit, but psychologically you will feel like you are losing because the big losses will be weighted in your mind much higher than the accumulation of all the small wins.

If you're playing a low limit where the rake is relatively high and the other play happens to be half decent at playing a short stack, then you won't have an edge. But otherwise, it's rubbish to suggest that playing a short stack cannot be +EV.

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fwiw I am a huge ethics nit in poker and while I agree that it's a little douchey to just sit out and say "reload" I do not think it's unethical at all. Either player can quit any time they want, any player can ask for the other player to accept certain conditions or the match is over.

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Right, but by the same logic shouldn't Mr. Crazy Mike not site at every one of OP's tables and say "i want 50/100".

OP next time just sit with 5bbs at all the tables. Mr. Powerade's only option will be to type "touche" and headasplode.

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fwiw I am a huge ethics nit in poker and while I agree that it's a little douchey to just sit out and say "reload" I do not think it's unethical at all. Either player can quit any time they want, any player can ask for the other player to accept certain conditions or the match is over.

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Right, but by the same logic shouldn't Mr. Crazy Mike not site at every one of OP's tables and say "i want 50/100".

OP next time just sit with 5bbs at all the tables. Mr. Powerade's only option will be to type "touche" and
headasplode.

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so someone explain to me how having 5bbs is an advantage?
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I'm not sure if this is right, but say you look at it this way. 55% of the time you're going to win. Those times you win an average of 5BB. Say the other 45%, you're average loss is 7BB though. Over all, in this case, you would lose.

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How do you lose 7 BB on average? If you're referring to the average amount lost over the duration of the session, then it will be higher. But you're going to win the 5 BB way way more than 55% of the time in that case.

Simple model:
You win his 5 BB right off the bat 52% of the time and he doubles up right away 48% of the time. (You have a small edge b/c you know how to play a short stack better than him.) Those times he has a 10 BB stack, you're going to bust him anyway about 54% of the time (assuming for simplicity that the game is a freezeout). (You have a larger edge with the larger stack.)

The end result is you're going to win those 5 BBs most of the time and every once you're going to run horrible and lose dozens of BBs. In the end, you still show a profit, but psychologically you will feel like you are losing because the big losses will be weighted in your mind much higher than the accumulation of all the small wins.

If you're playing a low limit where the rake is relatively high and the other play happens to be half decent at playing a short stack, then you won't have an edge. But otherwise, it's rubbish to suggest that playing a short stack cannot be +EV.

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I meant that your average loss would be 7BB i.e. given that you lose, the average loss is 7BB. It was just an example of how could happen not a reflection of what I think is reality. Seems like your probably right. Like you win 5BB 80% and lose an average of 17BB or something 20%. Still though it's like writing options or insurance. You either win a little or get killed.