Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

I'm considering moving up from 1/2N to 2/5 NL. I usually play at Ceasars and I'm told that while the pot is raked 10% (Max $4) at 1/2, all players must pay $5/half-hour to sit at the 2/5 table. It seems like the tax on the 2/5 is relatively much higher and will make the game much tougher to beat.

Can anyone give me the low down on rake vs. hourly drop or refer me to a previous thread that talks about this? Is this the same policy everywhere or are there casinos in AC that rake at all levels?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

that's identical to Borgata - since I started NL basically at the 2/5 game I don't appreciate the difference.

The upshot is that the game does play faster, players aren't hollywooding and the game policies itself pretty well on that front. If you aren't ubertight, you'll come out basically even between the two.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

Yeah, that's what I figured. Logic dictates that you have to play/win more hands with the drop to "keep up" with it.

How do you adjust for that? Expand your range somehow vs. the raked tables?

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

I'm a regular in the 2/5 at Borgata. I came from non HE/online so I honestly have like 5 hours of 1/2 lifetime.

The game plays much much deeper - 10%/$4 covers 95% of flopped pots. I win easily three hands per hour - which is above the breakeven point of 2.5 pots/hour ($10 time vs $4 pot).

It's a very good game btw, I can make more in 2/5 than 5/10 (well at least before they changed the limits).

As for a specific style, I'm generally tight, but will open up my range to play pots against the players I want to. I'll also adjust to basically any style that I think would work against a particular player(s).

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

Thanks, that's helpful. Maybe I'll see you there in a few weeks. I'll be the one looking overwhelmed and playing nitty.

What's the drop at 5/10?

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

$6/HH

its now a 500-2000 buyin game.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

5$/half is pretty normal for 2/5. However they are some 2/5 games that have lower than this. Almost all 2/5 in Vegas is 10% up to $4, which amounts to about 3.50$/half. The MGM 2/5 is even better with rake being 1$ on 20, 1$ on 40, 1$ on 60, 1$ on 150. This amounts to an average rake of about 2$/half for each player. Pretty sick!

However, California 2/5 is usually 5$ rake if flop, 1$ rake if no flop, which amounts to like 7-8$/half.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

If $5/half is killing your profits, you should really move back down, and I'm not joking.

Drop makes a wider range of pots profitably contestable, so you should just be glad to see the end of rake, and then count your chips.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

2/5 in AC: Taj, Hilton, Trop, and Showboat, I think are all raked.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

The strangest thing at Borgata is that 10/20 LHE is time-charged, but 10/20 Stud/Omaha is raked.

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The strangest thing at Borgata is that 10/20 LHE is time-charged, but 10/20 Stud/Omaha is raked.

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You have no idea how much the S/O players whined when the Taj tried to time charge them.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

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$6/HH

its now a 500-2000 buyin game.

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When did they bump it? It used to be $1500.
Playing this weekend if anyone cares..lol

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$6/HH

its now a 500-2000 buyin game.

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When did they bump it? It used to be $1500.
Playing this weekend if anyone cares..lol

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just this past weekend

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

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$6/HH

its now a 500-2000 buyin game.

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When did they bump it? It used to be $1500.
Playing this weekend if anyone cares..lol

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it's 500-2000 as of this past weekend

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

the game I've played alot in Michigan is 1-2 NL and the drop is 6/HH, as you can imagine if you buy in for 100 or so this drop alone can start to hurt you, luckily most of the players are terrible so it isn't hard to make up for it, but it defiantly hurts that every 2 hours you play you are donating a quarter of you buy in to the house.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

Here is a summary of AC rakes.
Please correct or add the following.

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Borgata(83) theborgata.com
15 tables of $300buy ($1/$2) NLHE, 10% up to $4, NFND, no free meal Cheap!!!
9 tables of $500buy ($2/$5) NLHE, $5/HH, no free meal Cheap!!!
??? of ($500<buy<$2000) ($5/$10) NLHE, $6/HH. no free meal
6 tables of $10/$20 LHE and 5 tables of $20/$40 LHE and 2 tables of $40/$80 LHE

TajMahal(68) trumptaj.com (609)449-1000 x4746
2 tables of ($500<buy<$3K) $5/$10 NLHE, no free meal
3 tables of $10/$20 LHE, no free meal
3 tables of $20/$40 LHE, no free meal

Trop tropicana.net (800)257-6227

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Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

Here in Miami rake at $1/$2 NLHE is $6/half

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

Um, some of you guys are getting your lingo mixed up.
Rake is money taken as a percentage of the pot.
Drop is money taken at the beginning of the hand.
Time is money taken from individuals periodically.
Time pot is money taken from a pot to cover everyone's time charge.

I'm being a nit, sure, but trips are not sets, open-enders are not double-bellies, and unless you have two gapped cards that flopped a straight, you didn't flop the joint.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

Miami, which casino has $6/HH for $1/$2 NLHE?

I have partial info as follows. Please correct it.

Hard Rock in Tampa, FL hardrockhotelcasinotampa.com
??? of ($2/$5) NLHE

Kennel Club(22 tables) in Daytona, FL jckcpokerroom.com (850)997-2561 Noon to Midnight, Closed on Sunday
1/2NLHE main game
4 tables of ($2/$5) NLHE, insane game

Brighton Seminole seminolecasinobrighton.com
10% up to $5 + $1 jackpot

Immokalee Seminole theseminolecasino.com
LHE - 10% up to $5 + $1 jackpot drop.
NLHE - 10% up to $6 + $1 jackpot drop.

Re: Rake vs. Hourly Drop in AC
 

At the Seminole Hard Rock in Hollywood its $6/half in 1/2 and $7/half at 2/5