FTP greed
 

Why does FTP treat loyal players so bad with their awful no rakeback if you signed up the wrong way policy??? Pure greed. I use to play a ton of cash games on FT, I am tired of being put at such a huge disadvantage. Others get 27%, I get none? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Time to move, all with no rakeback should do the same.

Please let me know recommended sites for middle stakes cash games with good deals. Thanks.

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Hey Bambi, life's not fair.

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HAHAHA, touche.

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Hey Bambi, life's not fair.

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This being true doesn't make FTP's stance any less exploitive

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this thread seems familiar...

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I think it would be better if all 2p2ers, with or without rb, left FTP. We should all band together to resolve this.

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I honestly don't think it's about greed. High MGR players who would play on FTP with rakeback don't if they can't get it. Allowing players to switch to rakeback accounts would set a bad precedent with respects to affiliates. Remember what happened on Party when people were dropping affiliates to get rakeback. It created a huge uproar and led to Party flatly saying that rakeback will no longer be allowed. You signed up through an affiliate, so that person did his job and got you to the site. They were paid already whether it was through a portion of ur rakeback or a sign up fee. Is it really fair to mandate that FTP pay another affiliate when somebody else got you to the site?

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I honestly don't think it's about greed. High MGR players who would play on FTP with rakeback don't if they can't get it. Allowing players to switch to rakeback accounts would set a bad precedent with respects to affiliates. Remember what happened on Party when people were dropping affiliates to get rakeback. It created a huge uproar and led to Party flatly saying that rakeback will no longer be allowed. You signed up through an affiliate, so that person did his job and got you to the site. They were paid already whether it was through a portion of ur rakeback or a sign up fee. Is it really fair to mandate that FTP pay another affiliate when somebody else got you to the site?

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^ Someone who is actually thinking about the situation logically.

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No, they should not pay an affiliate, they should just give me the 27%.

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I couldn't agree more.

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this thread seems familiar...

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No, they should not pay an affiliate, they should just give me the 27%.

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That would work if you signed up directly to FTP (i.e. no affiliate), but if you signed up through an affiliate, then they'd have to pay the affiliate 30 some percent (not sure how much they get paid) in addition to your 27%.

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I think it would be better if all 2p2ers, with or without rb, left FTP. We should all band together to resolve this.

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If all of you guys left, that would be great. I could probably move up a couple levels and still make $$. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Cheers, Carl.

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No, they should not pay an affiliate, they should just give me the 27%.

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That would work if you signed up directly to FTP (i.e. no affiliate), but if you signed up through an affiliate, then they'd have to pay the affiliate 30 some percent (not sure how much they get paid) in addition to your 27%.

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isnt it more like they give the affiliate 30 and some more and the affiliate pays you 27 % from that money? maybe thats what you meant im not so sure

I think anybody who did not sign up through an affiliate should not get rakeback. If they are REALLY REALLY desperate let their girlfriend or wife play for them...

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hallo!: That's the way it works for those affiliates who DO have a rakeback agreement with the players. For the affiliates who don't, they're probably not going to suddenly give 27% of their 30 some percent back to the player just because that player has discovered rakeback.

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I think it would be better if all 2p2ers, with or without rb, left FTP. We should all band together to resolve this.

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lol

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I have a dream,
That one day all 2+2er's will leave Full Tilt poker.
I have a dream,
That one day, I will have the fish all to myself.
I have a dream,
That one day, people will stop complaining about the lack of rakeback and just move to PokerStars.

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And their support people are HORRIBLE at retention, you can't wait to leave after talking to those clowns.

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And their support people are HORRIBLE at retention, you can't wait to leave after talking to those clowns.

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All my interactions with their support have been fairly positive. Slow compared to Stars, obv, but they have improved in the past month or two (last two e-mails I sent to them received a response within a few hours, as opposed to a few days).

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The speed of the e-mail was not my point, it was their attitude. It is like if you don't like it too bad, no rakeback. At least stars tries to convince you to stay if you are unhappy.

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ummmmm...stars ftw

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I am not trying to take up for fulltilt god knows I have had my battles with hem but look at it like this you signed up through an affiliate and got the 500$ bonus free some thing from you're affiliate and now they give you rake back. OK every thing is fine and dandy FOR YOU but now myself and all the other players who signed up and got the 500$ bonus and rake back but oh wait a minute we didn't get the free merchandise or whatever junk you got from you're first affiliate so we now start complaining and now what do they give us 150$ worth of free stuff that you originally got and I didn't??? The point is where would it end? I assume that's how they are looking at it and can't say I really disagree with them because there is always some whinny little bitch saying he got this and I didn't and it's not fair.

Try poker stars I thought their points were crap but I have gotten some really good stuff and you can convert the points to what ever you really once you hit super nova.

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im guessing FTP will not miss OP's business

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Just don't play on FT, I signed up like 3 days after they opened not through an affiliate and can't get RB without having my roommate or something sign up. Who cares, plenty of other sites with RB and FT isn't really soft anyway.

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The speed of the e-mail was not my point, it was their attitude. It is like if you don't like it too bad, no rakeback. At least stars tries to convince you to stay if you are unhappy.

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What would your attitude be like if you answered the same question over and over being asked by players who already know the answer and policy?

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Do you have a family member that doesn't play on FTP? They can open a new account and get rakeback.

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Why does FTP treat loyal players so bad with their awful no rakeback if you signed up the wrong way policy??? Pure greed. I use to play a ton of cash games on FT, I am tired of being put at such a huge disadvantage. Others get 27%, I get none? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Time to move, all with no rakeback should do the same.

Please let me know recommended sites for middle stakes cash games with good deals. Thanks.

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i have no idea why someone w/o rb would play on ftp...

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*yawn*

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No, they should not pay an affiliate, they should just give me the 27%.

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That's the biggest difference between Stars and FTP. Stars' VIP program which is more or less equivalent to rakeback is available to all, no matter signed via affiliate or not.

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Just don't play on FT,

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+1

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I honestly don't think it's about greed. High MGR players who would play on FTP with rakeback don't if they can't get it. Allowing players to switch to rakeback accounts would set a bad precedent with respects to affiliates. Remember what happened on Party when people were dropping affiliates to get rakeback. It created a huge uproar and led to Party flatly saying that rakeback will no longer be allowed. You signed up through an affiliate, so that person did his job and got you to the site. They were paid already whether it was through a portion of ur rakeback or a sign up fee. Is it really fair to mandate that FTP pay another affiliate when somebody else got you to the site?

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I completely agree. I think this is a question of how FTP acquired you as a customer in the first place. FTP will most likely be thinking along the lines of "We didn't acquire you through an affiliate to which we pay $x,000's per year for your custom, so we must have acquired you through an alternative marketing source." The value of this can be worked out:(Total annual marketing spend/players accquired through sources other than affiliates in that year = CPA (Cost per Acquisition)). In short, FTP's view is that your Rakeback has already been spent on acquiring you in the first place.

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For every new customer getting rakeback, I think they will lose 2 old customers in the long run, I stopped playing there also. Its the same as the cell phone company giving free phones and discounts to get new customers after you just signed up again for another 2 year contract extention, and you got dik.

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For every new customer getting rakeback, I think they will lose 2 old customers in the long run, I stopped playing there also. Its the same as the cell phone company giving free phones and discounts to get new customers after you just signed up again for another 2 year contract extention, and you got dik.

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Who would be stupid enough to sign a 2 year contract with a cellphone company and not upgrade their equipment?

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what stops you from just making a new account with rakeback?

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what stops you from just making a new account with rakeback?

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FT.

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BEAT: stupid people in this thread

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Just don't play on FT, I signed up like 3 days after they opened not through an affiliate and can't get RB without having my roommate or something sign up. Who cares, plenty of other sites with RB and FT isn't really soft anyway.

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If your account isnt linked to an affiliate you can (or used to be able to) link it to one specifically to get RB.

Go to Rakeback forum and search around.

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I think it would be better if all 2p2ers, with or without rb, left FTP. We should all band together to resolve this.

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i aggree totally you get this done ill just leave 2+2 and play there with only fishies after.