200NL AQs tough river decision
 

Villian seems solid from what I've observed. My image was LAG. I have been getting a lot of playable hands, and have been caught bluffing once or twice. Since then I've settled down, and have been relatively inactive for the last couple orbits. Not sure if anyone has noticed any of this though. What do you put SB on?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($237)
Hero ($195.80)
MP1 ($255)
MP2 ($188)
MP3 ($200)
CO ($272.90)
Button ($68.35)
SB ($304.50)
BB ($416.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 5 folds, SB calls $7, 1 fold.

Flop: ($18) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB calls $12.

Turn: ($42) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($42) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $40, Hero ???

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call

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I just started playing 200NL and I would bet the turn in this spot. Can you explain why you didn't?

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wtf... you induced a bluff... now call it.

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Bet the turn, if you had only flushdraw or only TPTK check is fine, but now you have fckin both.

As played, insta-call river.

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I just started playing 200NL and I would bet the turn in this spot. Can you explain why you didn't?

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He should have

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Bet the turn, if you had only flushdraw or only TPTK check is fine, but now you have fckin both.

As played, insta-call river.

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Yeah the turn check behind is definitely a debatable play. I remember reading about a very similar hand in the high stakes NL section a while back, and the reason that the turn check was recommended is because if villian has a set, the last thing you want to do is get blown out of the water with a CR. If he has a flush draw, you want him to stay in. And if he has any other air-ish type hand like a small pocket pair, he'll likely bluff the river or pay off a value bet. But maybe this is not high stakes so this advice is not optimal?

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No way I would fold that.
I would've bet the turn as well.

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Bet the turn, if you had only flushdraw or only TPTK check is fine, but now you have fckin both.

As played, insta-call river.

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Yeah the turn check behind is definitely a debatable play. I remember reading about a very similar hand in the high stakes NL section a while back, and the reason that the turn check was recommended is because if villian has a set, the last thing you want to do is get blown out of the water with a CR. If he has a flush draw, you want him to stay in. And if he has any other air-ish type hand like a small pocket pair, he'll likely bluff the river or pay off a value bet. But maybe this is not high stakes so this advice is not optimal?

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It's just that your hand is so strong right now you want to build a pot. Against an aggressive villain who might c/r me off my hand, I would consider checking behind. Against an average 200NL player though, I would bet the turn. As played, definitely call river.

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Easy call.

I like every street.

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what Jim said [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yeah the turn check behind is definitely a debatable play. I remember reading about a very similar hand in the high stakes NL section a while back, and the reason that the turn check was recommended is because if villian has a set, the last thing you want to do is get blown out of the water with a CR. If he has a flush draw, you want him to stay in. And if he has any other air-ish type hand like a small pocket pair, he'll likely bluff the river or pay off a value bet. But maybe this is not high stakes so this advice is not optimal?

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Turn check is a decent line against more aggressive opponents who aren't as likely to pay off value bets, but will bet this river with whatever they have when you check behind the turn, or could checkraise this turn on a bluff. The kind of opponents you are more likely to come across at higher stakes games.

At NL200 full ring, you will get your value bets paid off, people will keep drawing to their flushes on the turn, etc. So, while you save some money against sets, and gain some potential money against aggressive players and bluffers, you lose some immediate value against everything else. Also, it'll be harder to get a whole stack in there on the river if you improve and the pot is still small.

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This is the easiest call ever bro

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you have a freaking sweet hand on the turn... bet it. the way it is played dont even think about folding the river. i bet this turn the vast majority of the time tho. dj senseis post is spot on, i def agree with him. what he said.

Just read DJ\'s post
 

that is all

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Cool. Thanks for the help. I figured the river call was pretty standard. He showed K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. What a strange way to play it.

It seems like there are two schools of thought here, one suggesting betting the turn and the other checking. After reading dj sensei's post, it really seems like betting the turn would be the better option. What are your thoughts on this Big Jim? Grimstar?

Also, this may be standard, but if villian calls a turn bet, you're value-betting this river everytime right? Do you muck to a turn CR?

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Bet the turn, if you had only flushdraw or only TPTK check is fine, but now you have fckin both.

As played, insta-call river.

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Actually, you should be more inclined to bet the turn if all you had was tptk. If you bet this and get checkraised you're in a tough spot. Against some opponents you bet it anyway cause you're happy to get all in, but not this one it seems.

I like the play on all streets.

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Do you muck to a turn CR?


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I like the check behind, likely gets more value from weak one pair hands, keeps small FDs in the game, might well be a freecard and prevents against the biggest problem, see above.
Edit: Vs a known passive calling station, I'd bet like 1/2 pot, but as I understand it, that wasn't your read.