Should the Pats be running up the score on everybody in garbage time?
 

This is something they dealt with tonight on Inside the NFL. I feel like sooner or later Brady is going to take some dirty late hit from a ticked off linebacker ending this whole thing.

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yes. [censored] you NFL and everyone who questioned what we've accomplished this decade. if you don't like it, then don't get blown out. it's not our responsibility to keep the games close.

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yes. [censored] you NFL and everyone who questioned what we've accomplished this decade. if you don't like it, then don't get blown out. it's not our responsibility to keep the games close.

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Thats fine, but what do you do if Brady, one of the receivers or someone on the O-line gets lit up when they went for it on 4th and 2 with a double digit lead in the final minutes, ending that player's season?

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yes. [censored] you NFL and everyone who questioned what we've accomplished this decade. if you don't like it, then don't get blown out. it's not our responsibility to keep the games close.

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Thats fine, but what do you do if Brady, one of the receivers or someone on the O-line gets lit up when they went for it on 4th and 2 with a double digit lead in the final minutes, ending that player's season?

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How else they gonna stay #1 in the AP poll and play in the BCS title game?

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Brady and Moss are incapable of getting hurt, so I don't know what the point of this question is.

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whatever, running up the score might not be the nicest thing, but the pats can deal with whatever consequences that come their way as a result of it...

i really don't care if they pound a team into the ground and don't see much of a problem with it tbh and imo

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/cue Edge coming in and saying the Colts would never run up the score on any team no matter how insulted they felt.

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yes. [censored] you NFL and everyone who questioned what we've accomplished this decade. if you don't like it, then don't get blown out. it's not our responsibility to keep the games close.

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Thats fine, but what do you do if Brady, one of the receivers or someone on the O-line gets lit up when they went for it on 4th and 2 with a double digit lead in the final minutes, ending that player's season?

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How else they gonna stay #1 in the AP poll and play in the BCS title game?

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lol nice

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/cue Edge coming in and saying the Colts would never run up the score on any team no matter how insulted they felt.

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I'm not Edge, but I'm willing to make "98%" of that claim, in the sense that I'm fairly certain they wouldn't. Just look at the head coaches, large gulf there.

Edit: Also I suppose we have history. Top of my head I'm thinking the Thanksgiving game a year or so ago. Peyton throws for 6 TDs in the first half and then calls runs for the next 30 min (or something close).

Cody

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Just look at the head coaches, large gulf there.

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absolutely

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yes. [censored] you NFL and everyone who questioned what we've accomplished this decade. if you don't like it, then don't get blown out. it's not our responsibility to keep the games close.

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Well there's bound to be questions when you get caught cheating. Don't want to be doubted, don't cheat.

Cody

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Brady and Moss are incapable of getting hurt, so I don't know what the point of this question is.

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Moss was hurt significant time each of the past 3seasons

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Brady and Moss are incapable of getting hurt, so I don't know what the point of this question is.

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Moss was hurt significant time each of the past 3seasons

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Only because he wasn't interested.

Cody

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I don't mind it, but I think it is hilarious that people are attempting to justify it by making posts like this
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yes. [censored] you NFL and everyone who questioned what we've accomplished this decade. if you don't like it, then don't get blown out. it's not our responsibility to keep the games close.

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Or Bill Simmons 889834894398443298 articles on the subject.

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yes. [censored] you NFL and everyone who questioned what we've accomplished this decade. if you don't like it, then don't get blown out. it's not our responsibility to keep the games close.

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Well there's bound to be questions when you get caught cheating. Don't want to be doubted, don't cheat.

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you've already admitted that you think many guys on the Colts are cheating by taking HGH. there are various rumors of the Colts piping in sound.

no need to take the high road here.

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you've already admitted that you think many guys on the Colts are cheating by taking HGH. there are various rumors of the Colts piping in sound.

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Can you find me that one, I remember saying a number and then saying "I really have no idea but you really seem to want an answer" or something similar, but I don't remember saying I knew (or had an honest guess) as to how many Colts (or NFL players in total) were cheating.

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there are various rumors of the Colts piping in sound.


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That's cool. Psst, did you hear, Tom Brady is actually a Robot. There now there are rumors Tom Brady is a robot, effing cyber-cheater.

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no need to take the high road here.

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I'm not taking the high road, I'm just saying the same thing it's fairly likely you'd say if the roles were reversed. NE fans love their coach, yet if it was anyone elses coach they'd almost assuredly say "what a classless assbite, I don't care how good he is". Just like Sox's fans will Boo Arod in pinstripes but cheer him in Red, it's part of being a fan. It's not unexpected, but it's a far cry from objective.

Cody

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the point is that various organizations and players cheat. people have admitted it, and insiders have said so.

The Pats were the team that got caught. and for a few weeks this fall various people took this opportunity to act holier than thou and take pot shots at the organization for all kinds of things. Some of these people were cheaters themselves!

and that pissed the team off. the reality is almost certainly that what the Pats were doing was no worse than what lots of other teams were doing. but it is OUR accomplishments that our questioned, nobody elses, b/c we were the team that happened to get caught.

we coach better than you, we run the cap better than you, we collect better players than you, we win 3/4 SB's when everyone said it was impossible, and now you discount our achievements?

[censored] you, welcome to being embarrassed Wade Wilson.

if you think that's a sad justification, ok. but Belichick is a human and takes these insults very personally. if someone questioned everything I accomplished - when various other people were doing the same thing as me - you can bet I would lash back at them however I could.

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If I was on Oakland, I'd fake an injury too

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we coach better than you, we run the cap better than you, we collect better players than you, we win 3/4 SB's when everyone said it was impossible, and now you discount our achievements?

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Or maybe you just cheat better, who knows. You certainly don't (unless you haven't disclosed that you work for the NFL or a team therein). You're just taking your teams side and shaping the evidence and reality around that. That's cool, again not unexpected, I'd guess (and a part of me would hope) that I'd do the same thing.

EDIT: I don't think the Pats cheating helped them significantly, but the point is I (and you) just don't know.

For the record, I don't doubt your candor, basically saying "[censored] off, it's my hot body I do what I want" when people accuse your fav. team of running up the score, but I'm forced to ask, what would you say if the Colts were playing a cupcake schedule and going for it on 4th downs and running up the score?

Cody

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meh, as much as i hate to admit it, the pats run their team better than pretty much anyone out there, forget the cheating/enchacements (it can't get u 3/4 SB alone imo), it's not like they were the only team that was engaged in this kind of behavior

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Or maybe you just cheat better, who knows. You certainly don't (unless you haven't disclosed that you work for the NFL or a team therein).

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that's true. but the reality is that you don't know either. you have no idea how/if those tapes were used to gain an edge, and if they were, then to what extent that edge was greater than the edge other teams were getting through similar activities.

but, this doesn't stop people from doing ridiculous things like asking for SB rings and saying things like "they knew our offensive calls" when the entire scandal was about DEFENSIVE calls.

did we REALLY get an edge? you don't know. you just know that we got caught taping defensive signals.

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meh, as much as i hate to admit it, the pats run their team better than pretty much anyone out there, forget the cheating/enchacements (it can't get u 3/4 SB alone imo), it's not like they were the only team that was engaged in this kind of behavior

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Oh I'd agree with you, but I don't have proof, do you. I mean that's one of my big issues with that whole mess. I'm willing to hear Pat's fans out and the "everyone else does it" but where's out smoking gun (or rolling camera), I mean certainly if it's this obvious (the Pat's guy was in plain cloths 20 ft. from the Jets coach) then where are the others getting caught.

Cody

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Or maybe you just cheat better, who knows. You certainly don't (unless you haven't disclosed that you work for the NFL or a team therein).

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that's true. but the reality is that you don't know either. you have no idea how/if those tapes were used to gain an edge, and if they were, then to what extent that edge was greater than the edge other teams were getting through similar activities.

but, this doesn't stop people from doing ridiculous things like asking for SB rings and saying things like "they knew our offensive calls" when the entire scandal was about DEFENSIVE calls.

did we REALLY get an edge? you don't know. you just know that we got caught taping defensive signals.

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haha read my edit, I so beat you.

Cody

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/cue Edge coming in and saying the Colts would never run up the score on any team no matter how insulted they felt.

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lol except when Manning felt he could break a record

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did we REALLY get an edge? you don't know. you just know that we got caught taping defensive signals.

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I think it's reasonable to assume they got an edge. Why else would they continue to do something expressly illegal at the risk of severe punishment and public relations backlash?

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I mean certainly if it's this obvious (the Pat's guy was in plain cloths 20 ft. from the Jets coach) then where are the others getting caught.

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well, I think it was pretty commonly done for a while there, and the NFL finally said "enough is enough" and sent out the letter this year reiterating that it couldn't be done. then the Pats (in a dumb move) brazenly went ahead and continued anyways.

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/cue Edge coming in and saying the Colts would never run up the score on any team no matter how insulted they felt.

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lol except when Manning felt he could break a record

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hahah Manning only got that record because the IND defense was so poreous that he had to score 35 a game to win. It's not running up the score if half your team sucks.
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did we REALLY get an edge? you don't know. you just know that we got caught taping defensive signals.

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I think it's reasonable to assume they got an edge. Why else would they continue to do something expressly illegal at the risk of severe punishment and public relations backlash?

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maybe b/c they thought other teams were doing the same thing, so it really wasn't an edge, more like a shared dirty little secret. also, taping had never been punished before. and they probably figured that if they were caught, any penalty they got wouldn't be as severe as 1st round pick - that was an unprecedented penalty. when the story first broke, people were assuming the penalty would be something like a 3rd round pick.

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I mean certainly if it's this obvious (the Pat's guy was in plain cloths 20 ft. from the Jets coach) then where are the others getting caught.

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well, I think it was pretty commonly done for a while there, and the NFL finally said "enough is enough" and sent out the letter this year reiterating that it couldn't be done. then the Pats (in a dumb move) brazenly went ahead and continued anyways.

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Oh I certainly don't think it's done know. If Billy B. isn't cocky enough to do it, it can't be done. But still, we have NFL game tapes from 1970-2007, and most (after 1985 or so) have at least, and if I'm exaggerating here it's only slightly, 24,000 cameras in the stadium.

Lets rewind those tapes and see if we spot anyone. This is the failing of the NFL here in my opinion. They didn't do this, or at least I never heard of them saying "We reviewed years of tape and didn't/did see anything".

Cody

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we coach better than you, we run the cap better than you, we collect better players than you, we run better than you, we win 3/4 SB's when everyone said it was impossible, and now you discount our achievements?


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Don't forget that the entire receiving corps is new. It seems to me that they are still throwing late in games to fine tune the timing between Brady and Moss, Welker and Stallworth.

Also, speaking just for the last game, the Cowboys called a timeout inside of 2:00 left or else the Pats would have let the clock run out (according to Belichick on WEEI this week).

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Lets rewind those tapes and see if we spot anyone. This is the failing of the NFL here in my opinion. They didn't do this, or at least I never heard of them saying "We reviewed years of tape and didn't/did see anything".

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well, I think they would have found lots of things that they didn't want to disclose.

I do think the NFL basically decided that they had made their point to teams (cut the [censored], no more taping, we're serious) but they also basically decided that what was done in the past (wrt to taping) is done with, and any more publicity surrounding it would do more credibility damage to the entire NFL than do anything else.

they had made their point, then made the story go away.

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they had made their point, then made the story go away.

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Agree that that's the reality, not sure I agree it's the "right" thing to do.

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maybe b/c they thought other teams were doing the same thing, so it really wasn't an edge, more like a shared dirty little secret

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Could be. I think one is more likely than the other, though.

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Don't forget that the entire receiving corps is new. It seems to me that they are still throwing late in games to fine tune the timing between Brady and Moss, Welker and Stallworth.

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Seriously? This isn't a travesty or anything and I don't think there is that much wrong with it, except that Pats fan keeps trying to come up with lame rationalizations.

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The dynasty isn't going to last forever. Brady will eventually get old or hurt. The team will start getting hit by FA although they do have good draft picks coming up. Bill B will eventually leave. All dynasties come to an end in any period especially an era with such heavy FA.

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The dynasty isn't going to last forever. Brady will eventually get old or hurt. The team will start getting hit by FA although they do have good draft picks coming up. Bill B will eventually leave. All dynasties come to an end in any period especially an era with such heavy FA.

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this team will be a SB threat for 2 or 3 more years I think. after that it's possible, it just depends on how well they draft. but this team is actually not an old team and lots of key guys are under contract for the next 2 or 3 years. the cap situation is fine, though I don't know if both Moss and Asante will be back next year.


but that would make an entire decade of being right at the top of the NFL, which is pretty remarkable in todays NFL.

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I don't think they have been. Is the question whether or not they should be? I don't really have an opinion on that. They're all pro teams, so basically anything goes IMO.

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Cap is fine right now. But players get greedy. Drafts will have to be as good as the ones that have done lately. They do have a lot of young players but young players if they keep winning SBs, want big extensions. Pats don't give those and yes most guys are pretty replacable but little by little the team will start collapsing. It happened to the 9ers pretty quickly twice. It happened to the Cowboys pretty quickly in the late 90s. It just happens and it's just due to the way the league is setup where your can't whore a ton of great players on your bench for that long.

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Yes. I can't wait for Jason Taylor or Trent Cole to roll into Brady's knee like Wilfork did to Losman, on purpose I may add. Then we can watch Matt Cassel try to win a game, any game.

Cheaters Never Prosper.