How do you avoid becoming a nut peddler in Omaha?
 

Serious question. I've been silently reading hand posts here on and off and a lot of the advice advocates very tight open raising ranges and check/folding a ton. Not to say that is what is advocated in every post but I see a trend. How do I avoid becoming a nut peddler, staying creative, and make money in omaha? Are these mutually exclusive?

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try a very loose open raising range and check/raise a ton.

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try a very loose open raising range and check/raise a ton.

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Couldn't agree more. I'd add playing HU PLO for a little time too because that'll force you to open up. I've found PLO is a game where people are so afraid of a better hand (LDO). Much more so than NLHE. And, even though it's PLO, your opponent isn't hitting monsters non-stop. They really aren't. You have to know when to fold big hands but just spend some time mashing the pot button and, like Pete said, throwing in a lot more c/raising and you'll notice the difference.

I play almost entirely HU PLO and your average HU PLO player is no where near as good at dealing with aggression than the average HU NLHE player. If you can compliment ridic aggression with an ability to lay down massive hands when need be, you'll soon be driving your opps insane.

Some of the crap people are willing to get it arrr-in with after being quite disciplined for 20 minutes play is hilarious.

Just loosen up in position baaaaby

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I'm sure this can be explained by my c-betting frequency is higher in PLO than NLHE and I get away with it. People are simply not continuing passed the flop without a solid hand. They don't want to risk playing a big pot without the goods.

Notwithstanding that, you have to know when you switch gears regarding the c-betting. I think this advice pertains well to the average to inexperienced opponent. To the thinking player, trim your c-betting a little more as they are better at picking spots to raise/c/raise you and put you to a decision.

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Serious question. I've been silently reading hand posts here on and off and a lot of the advice advocates very tight open raising ranges and check/folding a ton. Not to say that is what is advocated in every post but I see a trend. How do I avoid becoming a nut peddler, staying creative, and make money in omaha? Are these mutually exclusive?

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table selection is important... some tables at lower levels (sorry if it offends you but thats what I assume you're playing) just aren't right for being creative

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Serious question. I've been silently reading hand posts here on and off and a lot of the advice advocates very tight open raising ranges and check/folding a ton. Not to say that is what is advocated in every post but I see a trend. How do I avoid becoming a nut peddler, staying creative, and make money in omaha? Are these mutually exclusive?

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table selection is important... some tables at lower levels (sorry if it offends you but thats what I assume you're playing) just aren't right for being creative

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Also you don't need to be overly creative on FR tables at lower levels to profit nicely. It's also important to know who the nut peddlers are on your table.

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Serious question. I've been silently reading hand posts here on and off and a lot of the advice advocates very tight open raising ranges and check/folding a ton. Not to say that is what is advocated in every post but I see a trend. How do I avoid becoming a nut peddler, staying creative, and make money in omaha? Are these mutually exclusive?

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table selection is important... some tables at lower levels (sorry if it offends you but thats what I assume you're playing) just aren't right for being creative

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No offense taken at all, you are quite right. I'm a newer PLO player and really appreciate the answers in this thread thus far. I think there is definite potential for creativity in omaha and it doesn't have to be simply just an equity math problem each and everytime.

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The simplest answer is.... play more hands?

Seriously, PLO is a very exciting game and it`s totally shame to play it like a nit....we have Texas Hold`em for that crap.

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There is nothing wrong with playing like a nit in PLO. Many guys make good money all the way up to the highest levels doing so. If by creativity you mean "woo hoo, I can play more hands preflop than holdem" then yes, PLO is more creative. By any other metric, I doubt it is.

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bdd

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no point in doing anything but nut peddling at micro or mid stakes. still amazing how braindead people can be even at plo200. can´t find the hand history, but i had a huge river bluff called by queen high some weeks ago - he obviously thought he had a full house ...

getting your stack in with top set vs lower set all day long will pay the bills.

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Serious question. I've been silently reading hand posts here on and off and a lot of the advice advocates very tight open raising ranges and check/folding a ton. Not to say that is what is advocated in every post but I see a trend. How do I avoid becoming a nut peddler, staying creative, and make money in omaha? Are these mutually exclusive?

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Remember that if you are going to play looser and more aggressive, do it in position. It makes all your decisions much easier postflop. Position allows you to pick up a lot of small pots on the flop.

If you see that no one wants the pot on the flop and you have top pair with a decent kicker (a hand you might not bet OOP), you can confidently bet it in position against one or two villains. If you are called and don't improve on the turn, check behind and get a free card. Many times you can see a free showdown.

Position position position.

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Serious question. I've been silently reading hand posts here on and off and a lot of the advice advocates very tight open raising ranges and check/folding a ton. Not to say that is what is advocated in every post but I see a trend. How do I avoid becoming a nut peddler, staying creative, and make money in omaha? Are these mutually exclusive?

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Remember that if you are going to play looser and more aggressive, do it in position. It makes all your decisions much easier postflop. Position allows you to pick up a lot of small pots on the flop.

If you see that no one wants the pot on the flop and you have top pair with a decent kicker (a hand you might not bet OOP), you can confidently bet it in position against one or two villains. If you are called and don't improve on the turn, check behind and get a free card. Many times you can see a free showdown.

Position position position.

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I'm sure this can be explained by my c-betting frequency is higher in PLO than NLHE and I get away with it. People are simply not continuing passed the flop without a solid hand. They don't want to risk playing a big pot without the goods.

Notwithstanding that, you have to know when you switch gears regarding the c-betting. I think this advice pertains well to the average to inexperienced opponent. To the thinking player, trim your c-betting a little more as they are better at picking spots to raise/c/raise you and put you to a decision.

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I play mostly in the 50 and 100 games (buyin not blinds). and i find it very difficult to know when to cont bet in many instances. i basically turned myself into a nit because of a massive downswing due to too many noobs calling massive river bets with bottom 2 pair...etc. i basically went with a "dont bluff anyone with a large vpip" strategy. but after my massive downswing i am 10x more timid on the button and i feel like potting it pre with 3 or more limpers (basically every hand) with moderate vpips is just a losing proposition without the goods. what do i need to do?? i feel like the opposite of what you said with better players being more bluffable.

btw i basically never cr bluff. should i employ this instead of betting into what turns out to be an even money bet?

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Serious question. I've been silently reading hand posts here on and off and a lot of the advice advocates very tight open raising ranges and check/folding a ton. Not to say that is what is advocated in every post but I see a trend. How do I avoid becoming a nut peddler, staying creative, and make money in omaha? Are these mutually exclusive?

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Remember that if you are going to play looser and more aggressive, do it in position. It makes all your decisions much easier postflop. Position allows you to pick up a lot of small pots on the flop.

If you see that no one wants the pot on the flop and you have top pair with a decent kicker (a hand you might not bet OOP), you can confidently bet it in position against one or two villains. If you are called and don't improve on the turn, check behind and get a free card. Many times you can see a free showdown.

Position position position.

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Position is overrated?

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Serious question. I've been silently reading hand posts here on and off and a lot of the advice advocates very tight open raising ranges and check/folding a ton. Not to say that is what is advocated in every post but I see a trend. How do I avoid becoming a nut peddler, staying creative, and make money in omaha? Are these mutually exclusive?

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Remember that if you are going to play looser and more aggressive, do it in position. It makes all your decisions much easier postflop. Position allows you to pick up a lot of small pots on the flop.

If you see that no one wants the pot on the flop and you have top pair with a decent kicker (a hand you might not bet OOP), you can confidently bet it in position against one or two villains. If you are called and don't improve on the turn, check behind and get a free card. Many times you can see a free showdown.

Position position position.

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Position is overrated?

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no. position is incredibly important. always playing in position is overrated.

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Remember that if you are going to play looser and more aggressive, do it in position. It makes all your decisions much easier postflop. Position allows you to pick up a lot of small pots on the flop.

If you see that no one wants the pot on the flop and you have top pair with a decent kicker (a hand you might not bet OOP), you can confidently bet it in position against one or two villains. If you are called and don't improve on the turn, check behind and get a free card. Many times you can see a free showdown.

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Position is overrated?

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no. position is incredibly important. always playing in position is overrated.

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I didn't say that. All I said was that you can loosen up in position. That doesn't mean you should play crap like QT64.

You don't have to bet every pot in position either, but you will have a better idea of where you stand than if you were OOP (allowing you to bet more often).

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i shouldn't have used the word "always." i meant that the importance of being in position is overrated.

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i shouldn't have used the word "always." i meant that the importance of being in position is overrated.

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I would say position is more important in PLO than in no limit holdem. Bobby Baldwin would agree (Super System II) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Super System II + PLO = roflmao

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bdd

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Everything is overrated these days.
Whenever majority of the poker players start talking about and are aware of moves and concepts that used to work against bad players it`s time to adjust your general strategy.
I hope that made some sense, if not I`ll give it a go again.
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If you want to "mix it up" a bit or "get more creative" think Ted Forrest I guess.
Read everything he has to say in books and articles, it might open your eyes.

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Super System II + PLO = roflmao

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I was just making the point that position is important in PLO and didn't want to get into a discussion about the PLO section of SSII. But...

If every PLO player read PLO section of SSII and incorporated it into their game, PLO games would become a lot tougher. There is a lot of solid, although basic, advice in the PLO section. It is definitely good for beginners.

What do you hate about that section?

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i shouldn't have used the word "always." i meant that the importance of being in position is overrated.

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OK, I guess it is a personal preference of mine to overemphasize position. Most of my difficult decisions are a result of me playing OOP.

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Everything is overrated these days.
Whenever majority of the poker players start talking about and are aware of moves and concepts that used to work against bad players it`s time to adjust your general strategy.
I hope that made some sense, if not I`ll give it a go again.
( language barrier )

If you want to "mix it up" a bit or "get more creative" think Ted Forrest I guess.
Read everything he has to say in books and articles, it might open your eyes.

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link?
book title?

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Super System II + PLO = roflmao

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bdd

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agreed. lyle just wanted to brag about the size of his games.

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Super System II + PLO = roflmao

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agreed. lyle just wanted to brag about the size of his games.

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My main point is that position is important.

Berman's advice is pretty basic and will keep most players out of trouble. If you want advanced advice, look to Slotbloom or this forum (from some of the posters).